Absolutely Disgusting!!!

I decided to come out of my self imposed hiatus to show you guys something that utterly repulses me. Theology Today contributors Roderick Edwards and Dee Dee Warren are currently being attacked by an evil despicable man I’ll refer to as “VD”. (source)

This is disgusting on multiple levels.

I’m quite certain we’ve all heard one ODM claim he is on the front lines of a “Spiritual Vietnam of a Truth War” and maybe in his delusions he actually is but let me tell you something; what he claims to face is NOTHING like what Rod and Dee Dee go through on a continual daily basis…..

Disgusting…..

First off this guy “VD”  has refused to remove Rod’s writings from a website “VD” owns from Rod’s days as a hyper-preterist and is using these writings in an attempt to make Rod look like a hypocrite. Of course Rod has asked for these articles to be removed but “VD” doesn’t seem to want to do the right thing and just let the articles go.

The fact that Rod no longer espouses his former views doesn’t seem to matter much to “VD” and hey, since “VD” can’t seem to refute Rod’s current views I guess it’s “VD’s” only recourse right? I suppose that seems logical in the paradigm of a Hyper-Preterist.

Disgusting……

Listen to Dee’s podcast and read the article and if you aren’t sickened by what has occurred then I absolutely question your humanity.

What place does the speculation of a female’s breast size have in a theological debate?

How does calling this female a “b**ch” or threatening to publish a map to her private residence refute her exegetical positions?

Bear in mind “VD” and his band of mockers believe they’ve already been judged so what else can you expect?

What I’d like to know is where are the men within this movement and why aren’t they publicly disassociating themselves from this man and his sickening stench as Paul has instructed all professing believers to do in 1 Corinthians 5:11?

Brethren, that’s the daily skubalon my friends Roderick Edwards and Dee Dee Warren face on a daily basis from individuals like “VD” and his ilk. Unlike some they don’t ask for donations and are only in this to expose the dangerous errors of Full or Hyper Preterism…..and after seeing the fruit in the life of someone like “VD” can you disagree with them?

Let’s all pray for Roderick, Dee Dee as they are two real fighters in a REAL truth war……and if you get a chance go over to their site and thank them for all they do and all they face for the Kingdom of God!

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6 thoughts on “Absolutely Disgusting!!!

  1. Thank you very much for your support Phil. God does bring beauty from ashes–hopefully this will show that group for the marginizaled bullies they are.

    Not all hyperpreterists behave this way. Minna Hill, Sharon Nichols, Willy Booth have all spoken out publicly, and I thank them from the bottom of my heart.

    Unfortunately, Samuel Frost, a highly educated hyperpreterist, has publicly voiced his support and compared my belief that those in ministry have a call on their lives from God to a jihadist. I can expect that from the emergent types that my harasser runs with, but not from an otherwise conservative person. It just goes to show the bankruptcy of the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” approach.

  2. Hi Phil,

    Welcome to the Hyper-Preterist sandbox. This is one of the reasons why I seldom deal with the ‘personalities’ of the movement. My policy (which I found has worked) is to ignore personal references, unless a comment or critique has doctrinal relevance. Once someone starts responding to the personal abuse, he makes himself a target for attack.

    In order to understand why this is going on, let me explain how I’ve seen Hyper-Preterists work. Last year “American Vision” had a fit over one of my articles in which I defended the future hope of Israel. I answered Joel McDurmon with a debate challenge. He agreed to the debate. Within a few hours of the posting of his article, three Hyper-Preterist leaders began pressuring McDurmon not to debate me. They knew that if McDurmon and I went forward, he’d have to deal with Jeremiah 30: 35-37, and Jeremiah 30: 11. For obvious reaons, the HYper-Preterists didn’t want that.

    I’ve had a “Sola Scriptura” debate offer going since April 19th. Guess how many people responded so far? Yes, you guessed correctly!

    Phil, these people don’t want relevant theological discussion. That is not their speciality. They want to blackjack Christians and push their views on everyone else, until they can gain a following large enough to pose a formidable threat to Christianity. Their thrive on intimidation, threats, and extortion. But when anyone tries to seriously engage them, they hide behind their walled garden.

    Obviously, Phil, these personal attacks are like the sand of their sandbox. If you took away the sand, they wouldn’t have anything to play in.

    I hope Dee Dee and the other parties are able to get this problem resolved.

    Peace & Health,

    Brian

    • Hi,

      Phil, these people don’t want relevant theological discussion. That is not their speciality. They want to blackjack Christians and push their views on everyone else, until they can gain a following large enough to pose a formidable threat to Christianity. Their thrive on intimidation, threats, and extortion. But when anyone tries to seriously engage them, they hide behind their walled garden.

      I learned that a few months ago. I challenged one of the “scholars” to a debate……..he agreed with bravado “anywhere anytime” but a couple days later backed down. They go blah blah blah and then back to their sandbox and play bigshot to the lemmings that find them brilliant, fascinating and scholarly…….

      Phil

  3. Some people may be thinking — “Well, just ignore these thugs”. The Bible doesn’t call us to ignore this kind of stuff.

    Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! — Is 5:20 (see also Eph 5:11, Rom 16:17-18)

    If these thugs were atheists then perhaps it would be easier, but when people are claiming to be part of the community of saints, then it must be pointed out how what they are teaching & how they are behaving is nothing like anything that the historic Christian community of saints is about. Forget about the “creeds” & “councils” for a moment — Are these people ANYTHING like ANY KIND of historic expression of Christianity??? NO. And it is for this reason, that when we point this out these thugs come at us with everything they can think of. They want us to shut up so that people might just accept them.

    Thanks Phil for posting this. This issue doesn’t apply just to hyperpreterism, but to ANY heresy posing as Christianity.

  4. Hi Phil,

    Thanks for putting this forth. People can’t imagine the abuse that is doled out by the HP’s against those who deal with them on a regular basis. Rod and Dee Dee take a heap of abuse. I must commend them for not backing down.

    What needs to be said also is that some HP’s don’t restrict their abuse to just those who speak out against them. This particular person likes to heap it on those within HP who call him on the carpet. While an HP, I was all over this guy for telling a bald faced lie and he came after me.

    Then you have the HP leadership who no longer speak out about this because they get attacked. You will seldom see an HP rebuke one of their own over this behavior.

    Character matters people.

    I remember one private discussion I had with the HP leaders a few years before I left that movement. I told them watching the antics within the camp and their reaction was just like the husband and wife sitting on the couch watching TV and holding hands while they listen to the man next door beating his wife and busting up the furniture. The response to the violence: “Would you turn up the volume honey? I can’t hear” as they smile at each other lovingly….

    Yep – That’s HP at it’s finest. It is disgusting.

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