Kenneth Copelands Heresies

Have a look at this great video and then tell me how many heresies Copeland is spitting out…..utterly disgusting…..

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21 thoughts on “Kenneth Copelands Heresies

  1. It is amazing the variety and repulsiveness of the heresies spewed out by the Word of Faith preachers and theologians! Even more amazing is the fact that they have gone unchallenged for so long.

    Phil: Preachers? Yes. “Theologians”? Well, that’s debateable:-)

    It is a fact that this false gospel is the fastest growing in the world today,especially in the third world. What they are spewing out using television and the internet is leading billions astray into new age,soulish, cultic and brazenly occultic doctrines and practices.

    Phil: I completely agree with you

    Thanks for exposing these charlatans,sir

  2. Let’s be blunt – the Word of Faith is a self-absorbed message for self-absorbed “Christians”. There is no way you can demonstrate to me that they have the real Gospel but all the time, their messages are me me me…and more me

  3. Phil,
    Where did all your commenters go?

    Phil: I dunno…..there are a TON of blogs that don’t get any comments so I feel blessed that people do comment here

    Interesting isn’t it? Speak against those defending the faith and you’re wildly popular. Speak against those denying the faith and you’re in the wilderness.

    Phil: I don’t think I’m all that popular…..there are a MILLION blogs more popular than mine….

    What does that say about most “Christians” who read and comment on these blogs?

    Phil: The video in my post was pretty cut and dry…..not much to say really and those that follow Copeland can’t really say much can they?

    When you typed “What does that say about most “Christians” who read and comment on these blogs?” why did you place Christians in quotations? Which “blogs” are you refering to?

    Phil Perkins.

  4. Phil,
    I’m not criticizing you for having few readers. No, not all. So, if that was misleading, I apologized for miscommunicating.

    The quotes around “Christians” is a deliberate act to signify that they are so-called, not actual. According to Scripture, almost no Evangelicals are saved. We know that from how the Scripture describes real saints and lives that are actually holy. If you want details, simply ask and I will give them to you. A good start is two of my favorite chapters in Scripture, Matthew 7 and John 10. Also, go to I John. That entire book is a test giving criteria for self examination. There is also much in the Old Covenant on this subject, sometimes very pointedly.

    Not all Israel is Israel.

    The vdeo you gave here is excellent evidence of just that point. Copeland knows not God. And there is very little that he can say as you point out so well.

    In Christ,
    Phil Perkins.

    Phil: Ok….thanks for the clearing that up…..

  5. Christianity is not about How much one knows about Jesus or believing How rich God wants us to be. Neither is it about claiming to know more than others or claiming that God speaks to them audibly or in person. It is not about thinking and living as we like or what we think is right or holy. It’s about dying to self which means not only in actions but in our thinking, bringing every thought to the obedience of Christ (i.e his teachings).In short it means complete obedience and full surrender to Jesus the Christ. What we think or believe or hope is not gonna save us even if we have faith that can move mountains unless we abide in Christ (i.e live according to his word). He sent the Holy Ghost to teach us his will so that we may abide in him. So, any spirit that does not teach the commandments or complete obedience to Christ is not holy.
    Lord I pray that you help us to understand the teachings of Christ that we may abide in HIM.

  6. Fanal,
    Amen to the self-death. And Amen to the statement that we are to bring our minds to be slaves to Christ.

    However, I would encourage you to give some thought to this: You began your comment by disparaging “How much one know about Jesus”. And yet you wish for us to think Christ’s thoughts after Him.

    How does one think the thoughts of Christ, while no valuing knowledge of Him? How can I think His thoughts and still remain ignorant of Him?

    In Christ,
    Phil Perkins.

  7. Good question Phil and I apologizing for not elaborating. What I mean is that there are many claiming to know Christ but all they really know is somethings about him. There is a difference in knowing Him and knowing ‘about’ Him. What I said in the earlier post does not mean one should not seek God. True knowledge and understanding can come only through this plus obedience.
    For instance, lets take you and benny hinn: You both are christians and claim to know Jesus but your approach towards Him are like the east and the west.
    Hinn claims to know him but he knows money more. He merely knows a little about him.
    And I totally agree with you if you mean what I think you mean : i.e In order to be obedient to Him we must know Him and understand what his will is.
    Hearing and doing only his will is knowing Him; hearing and doing only part of his will and preach what the lustful and corrupted mind desires is what I refered as knowing about Jesus.

  8. Fanal,
    Here’s a quote I used in my last post on my site:

    “I love God and want to know Him more, so I study the Bible constantly.”

    Guess who said that.

    Phil.

  9. studying the Bible is one thing.. living what it says is another. There are many hindus in India who study the Bible and ignore what it teaches and a lot more christians who claim to have faith in Christ yet not obey his teachings. What I’m trying to convey here is that it’s more important to obey what Jesus taught no matter how little one knows what his will is than knowing a whole lot and not obeying. By this I don’t mean one should not study the Word to know God more.

  10. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.[1 John:2-6]

  11. Fanal,
    So who said the quote? For the answer, go here: http://dontadddontsubtract.blogspot.com/2008/10/ignorance-is-next-to-godliness-i-guess_17.html

    I agree with you. We are to obey God. So here’s another question:

    What does God tell us in Scripture about the pursuit of straight thinking and the pursuit knowledge of Scritpure?

    And here’s my last question for you:

    Does God, in Scripture, tell us to evaluate each other on the basis of our knowledge of Scripture?

    In Christ,
    Phil Perkins.

  12. Ans 1).Jesus said in John 5:39 ‘ You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me. Yet you refuse to come to me to have life.’
    Since Jesus is the Word became flesh, and the scriptures contain the Word, pursuing knowledge of scripture is pursuing Christ and knowing Him. The Bible says ‘We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.’ In John 15:12 we learn that his commandment is the commandment of Love. 1 Cor 13:4-7 explains what love is also Matthew chapters 5-7 especially 5:39-41.

    Ans 2). God speaking through Paul tells us to test every spirit and Jesus said ‘ the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit…’ Since the Words are Spirit and the scripture contains them, God certainly wants us to evaluate each other.

  13. Where have I disparaged biblical knowledge ? I guess you dont understand there is a ‘BIG’ difference about knowing ‘about’ Jesus and knowing Him because I do.I was born in a christian family and had known ‘about’ Jesus from childhood.I had been taught there is nothing we can do to go to heaven.Jesus’ death on the cross was enough they said.So i lived the way I wanted.Now I know better.Jesus died so I could live the way God wanted me and according to his will. He saved me from the bondage of sin.Knowing Christ has made me understand that without the cross, even if I had lived perfectly according to the Word of God it would not have been acceptable to God since I was a sinner born of sin. I wrote [In short it means complete obedience and full surrender to Jesus the Christ]. What does that mean to you ? If Jesus is the word How can one do or know his will without studying the Bible ? Having said this there are many who study the Bible to criticize others,for arguments,knowledge etc. You said ‘Do you have any idea how many hours it takes to become fluent in Scripture knowledge?’ I ask do you have any idea how many years I have studied the scriptures . I have said this and I’ll say it again : I do not disparage scripture knowledge , What I’m trying to point out is simply studying what is written is useless if it is used merely to judge or criticize others. You’re knowledge of the scriptures will not save you. It is not how much you know it is how much you obey.
    You Sir do not obey. You have judged me wrongly. You have twisted my words. What does dying to self mean to you ? Doesn’t it mean stop living according to ones will and living according to God’s Will? Do you think I’m so lame so as to write about baptism in Christ and living GOd’s Will without studying his Will ? If you do maybe it’s my fault for not being able to express myself clearly.
    p.s : I posted it here because I couldnt post it in that other blog. It said Must be at most 300 characters ! I hope you don’t mind.

  14. Dear Fanal,
    The anger is inappropriate. I’ve been very respectful of you.

    You said, “Where have I disparaged biblical knowledge?”

    Simple. Everywhere, starting in your first sentence: “Christianity is not about How much one knows about Jesus or believing How rich God wants us to be.”

    And your attitude is typical in the Evangelical “church”. This attitude started seriously in my generation. Before that the church knew better, but my generation decided that doctrine isn’t important. This was sin. As a result, many in your generation see a contrast between biblical literacy and righteousness. Then, ironically, you (and many Evangelicals) attempt to use biblical passages to prove that studying the bible is optional or even bad.
    Then you say that studying the Bible is good. Which is it?

    As an example of unfamiliarity with the Bible, you ended your first sentence with “…How rich God wants us to be.” Did you know that God has stated specifically in the New Covenant that His people will suffer everywhere they go or live? And if they don’t they are really His? Did you know that? Do you even know where in Scripture to find that doctrine? Why not?

    Your remarks are extremely anti-biblical. Yet, I simply asked questions to get you thinking. I could have shredded you logically and biblically, but I didn’t. Your writing is so unbiblical I quoted you on another site, but used a fake name to protect you. So, this isn’t a personal attack. I am simply begging you to think about what you’re doing.

    It is very good to teach death to self. I started my remarks to you with a thank you for that, didn’t I? So why do you act as if I’m against godliness?

    You still haven’t answered my two questions:

    1.) What does God tell us in Scripture about the pursuit of straight thinking and the pursuit (of) knowledge of Scritpure?

    You started answering this but failed to reach a conclusion.

    2.) Does God, in Scripture, tell us to evaluate each other on the basis of our knowledge of Scripture?

    You didn’t even start to answer this. Your conclusion was that we are to test the spirits, but that wasn’t the question. Are we to test each other in order to ascertain who among us has the best knowledge of Scripture? Yes or no.

    Finally, you stay in this logical bind. To illustrate, you said this: “It is not how much you know it is how much you obey.”

    Obey what? (if stugying is optional)

    You are right in that one can become puffed up and expect God’s favor simply for knowledge. However, for every warning of that in Scripture, there are scores, possibly hindreds, of admonitions to study, think, and memorize. And to honor those who do.

    Instead, you disparage them, few though they be. Most Evangelical pastors know little of Scripture.

    In Christ,
    Phil Perkins. PS–What does your wasteline and your biblical knowledge have in common?

  15. I won’t try to prove anything or argue with you anymore. I know now its not gonna solve anything. You’re just going to keep falsely accusing me and never try to understand what I’m trying to say. You just think you know too much. I’ll tell you one thing though, there are many who know alot more than you. From where I come there are people who know every full stops and comas of the scripture. Do you even know a single book by-heart ? So, I’ll advise you to stop thinking so highly of your self and use what little you know of the scripture to judge yourself and not others. And please don’t think I’m angry or that I’m being respectful. You need to humble yourself.
    Here’s a message from the Lord for you :” You say, `I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.”
    PS : Thanks for the ‘protection’ but I really don’t need it. You can publish my email also. 🙂

  16. Fanal,
    I’ve asked very basic biblical questions concerning the very topic you brought up and you can’t or won’t answer them.

    You aren’t alone, though. Most Evangelicals can’t name the ten commandments. Most CAN quote “Knowledge puffs up,” “God is love,” and “Judge not that you be not judged.”

    And not much else.

    Night before last I met a student at a Bible college student. He is a young man that is outwardly humble, quiet, and seems to be very concerned about his relationship to God. Yet, Dan is currently going to a “Christian” college that uses a text book that is in favor of homosexual marriage. I was shocked and angry. I reminded him that, as Christians, we aren’t to have anything to do with someone who calls himself a brother, yet remains in such a sin. He didn’t know that. He squinted, furrowed his brow and said, “There IS that verse that says we are to treat them as unbelievers,” slowly because he was thinking so hard to remember anything at all.

    In a matter of months he may be a pastor or a youth pastor. Does that scare you?

    Several weeks ago, I read an article by Zac Poonen. Poonen is a Christian celebrity, a pastor, and author. Thousands read him and listen to him. He’s an authority. In his article he said that the first time believers were filled with the Holy Spirit was Acts 2, seemingly oblivious of all the fillings in the Old Testament and the filling of John the Baptist. When I corrected this, complete with biblical references, his defenders came out of the woodwork. They didn’t even deal with the biblical mistakes Poonen gave. They didn’t even mention them. But they were mad at me.

    Poonen is in sin. He isn’t doing the job of an elder. He isn’t studying the Scripture. Else, he’d remember John the Baptist and Bezalel and would know better than to say Acts 2 was the first time.

    Ironically, Poonen ended his article with “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

    “He who has eyes to read, let him read,” would have been better.

    I could go on with example after example, from “Christian” nobodies to “Christian” celebrities.

    These folks would hate Jesus, too. After all, Jesus kept saying “…have you not read…” and “…it is written…”

    And religious folks hated Him.

    In Christ,
    Phil Perkins.

  17. God Bless you !
    Keep studying and obey EVERY commandment of the Lord [Not only the part which suits you]
    Pray always that He may reveal his words according to your needs.
    And remember that envy and boastfulness are abomination to God. Ask him to search your heart.
    PS: question for you : How would you evaluate a man who has spent 6-10 hours everyday, studying and reading only the Scripture and always giving his best to obey every word of the Lord for 3 years, using only 3 versions of English Bible, 2 versions in his mother tongue, a Bible commentary and a concordance, only leaving his house 2/3 times a year for medical appointment, whose only prayer is that He may know his will so that he can walk in obedience.
    Would you say he has very little Biblical knowledge and disparage it ?
    If so, How long does it take to become fluent in Scripture [minimum] and what he needs to say to convince you that he does not disparage sincere study of scripture and obeying everything he learns ?

  18. BTW are you saying Poonen is in sin because he said that the first time believers were filled with the Holy Spirit was Acts 2 ? Aren’t you too quick to judge as always . I don’t know who Poonen is but I think it would be better to shut-up than calling someone an outright sinner because of a single sentence. Note he did not say ‘a believer’. Before the cross the Holy Spirit was given to individuals whom God purposefully chose to fulfill his purpose, NOT everyone. After the cross the Holy Spirit is given to all who obey Acts 5:32. It was in Acts 2 that Jesus’ promises came true. In a sense Poonen is right. There is always a room for argument if one chooses.
    If you were around when Jesus walked on earth and heard him say ‘whoso eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life…’ I think you will be the first to raise a finger and shout ” ‘stone this heretic’ the scripture says thou shall not kill and here he is telling us to kill him and teaching we should turn cannibals to have eternal life’.
    I’m sorry but thats the way I’m beginning to see you.
    You judged me by a single sentence which I have been trying make you understand it was not meant in a way you understood it. Yet you refuse to listen. I have not been quick to judge like your self and have been giving you the benefit of the doubt because I realized that I might not have been clear in what I said. But your judgement against Poonen has proved my suspicions and who you really are. REPENT brother.
    If you make judgements against others do it according to scripture : Be slow to judge and make righteous judgements. And don’t use your limited knowledge of scripture to say this thing about that person etc. Scripture is not for argument or passing judgements behind people’s back. It is meant to be OBEYED.

  19. Fanal,
    The most important lesson here isn’t even about Poonen. It’s about us. Almost none of us are biblically equipped to even detect that Poonen is lying or gravely mistaken. And that’s a damning indictment against us. We don’t love God. We show we don’t love God because we don’t pursue Him. If we did, we’d know the Scripture. When Jesus said, “…have you not read…” He was doing more than introducing a passage. He was chiding us.

    Poonen’s sin isn’t the mistakes. It’s the ignorance, while claiming to be an overseer.

    And if someone tells you they have obeyed every word of God for three years, they fulfill this passage:

    “If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”—1 John 1:8.

    If Poonen said he knew calculus, but was unable to subtract, we’d know he lied or he doesn’t understand what calculus is. The one mistake I mentioned is not knowing that John the Baptist and others were filled with the Spirit long before the Day of Pentecost. All one has to do to know this is to read the Bible once.

    Logically, you have three possibilities:

    1. Poonen’s lying about studying the Scripture. (It’s his job to do so, if he’s an overseer.)

    2. Or he’s lying purposely about what the Scripture says. (Folks at the Watchtower study, too, but they put out things that are untrue.)

    3. Or he’s studying, but unable to comprehend well. And that disqualifies him biblically.

    Note this passage:

    “An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach…”—1 Timothy 3:2.

    As bad as Poonen is, it’s our fault as much as it’s his. Most churchees don’t study their Bibles enough to know better.

    Did you know better? If you did, why did you defend him? Now that you do know better, why do you continue to defend him?

    You have said that I have accused Poonen because of “a single sentence” and that I did so “behind his back”. There is a multitude of biblical mistakes. Here I have mentioned only one and have done so publicly at several places on the web.

    But then you know that.

    In Christ,
    Phil Perkins.

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