Pastor Michelle Duarte Raises A Woman From The Dead!!!

I can honestly say that sometimes operating this site makes me shake my head and wonder who in their right minds would believe some of the hogwash I’m about to present to you in this post. It appears that Pastor Michelle Duarte and one of her co-pastors claim to have brought someone back to life from the dead. Wait until you see how these two pulled this one off…….

 

This from the site http://enterthefurnace.blogspot.com/2006/10/healings-signs-hailstones-dead-raising.html

 

 

– Pastor Michelle Duarte of Living Water Christian Church raised a dead person to life following Friday night’s meeting! She witnessed a car accident just outside the local IHOP restaurant, where a large SUV plowed over another car. The Lord told her that a lady was involved in the wreck, and Pastor Duarte walked as close to the scene as possible, seeing a woman slumped over the wheel. Duarte says that while responders could not find vital signs, and the woman was ready to be picked up by a DOA truck, her inner eye saw the woman’s spirit departing from her body. Across the parking lot, Duarte’s assistant pastor was also seeing the same vision, of a woman’s spirit leaving her body. Separately, but simultaneously, they began to pray and command the woman’s spirit to return to her body, along with prayers of healing for her physical body. In just a few moments, she saw the victim’s arm begin to move as life was restored to her body!

Yea…..sure she did…..Lets break this bovine excretement down in real terms….

Pastor Michelle Duarte of Living Water Christian Church raised a dead person to life following Friday night’s meeting!

There is no such thing as a woman pastor (1Timothy 3).

The Lord told her that a lady was involved in the wreck, and Pastor Duarte walked as close to the scene as possible, seeing a woman slumped over the wheel.

Did the Lord tell her this audibly? Any witnesses hearing the Lord speak to Michelle Duarte (I refuse to call her pastor from this point onward)?

Duarte says that while responders could not find vital signs, and the woman was ready to be picked up by a DOA truck, her inner eye saw the woman’s spirit departing from her body.

Who would these responders be? Is there a police report of the accident or should we just take her word for this? Inner eye? What pray tell is an “inner eye”? Oh wait that’s one of the catch phrases these folks use to convince silly sheeple that Duarte is more “spiritual” then everybody else.

Across the parking lot, Duarte’s assistant pastor was also seeing the same vision, of a woman’s spirit leaving her body

What is this associate pastor’s name? Seems pretty convenient that both these clods had the same “vision” don’t ya think? Please show me Scripture that shows we can see a spirit leaving the body of someone who is apparently deceased?

Separately, but simultaneously, they began to pray and command the woman’s spirit to return to her body, along with prayers of healing for her physical body. In just a few moments, she saw the victim’s arm begin to move as life was restored to her body!

Wow! Proof that we can “command” spirits…..how convenient. I’m sure this hogwash went over big at offering time the following Sunday eh Michelle?

If this really happened then praise the Lord but why give the credit to Michelle Duarte? Shouldn’t all the credit go to God because after all God was the one who raised this woman from the dead and not some counterfeit “pastor”?

Yep sometimes I just shake my head……..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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55 thoughts on “Pastor Michelle Duarte Raises A Woman From The Dead!!!

  1. This is pure craziness, and what person would believe it? This pastor didn’t have to lay hands on the woman or anything just stand back and it happen. The Lord for got to tell her the woman name so she just call her the lady pleaseeeeeeee.

  2. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church ……… If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. [1CO 14:34-37]

  3. Phil, check out this “testimony” from the posted webpage….

    “The first 4 of a total 8 inches of weight instantly lost.
    – A woman lost eight inches from her waist line in the meetings as the power of God came upon her. Others lost weight as well.”

    Well that one ought to corral the sheeple into their meetings!
    Weight loss miracles!!! Goodness sake people, get on a diet!

    Phil: Sergio, John Crowder operates that site so it comes as no surprise to me that stuff like that would be on there and yes I’m quite certain he corralled a few silly sheeple in the process….

  4. Inner eye???? What in the world is an inner eye.

    I tell you what, my inner gutt tells me they’re just looking for some attention.

  5. This sounds like a mixture of New Age and plain, old-fashioned lies to me! The reign of the sheeple wranglers continue :((

  6. I must say I loved the weight loss idea…how novel. Of course, the diet idea Sergio brought forth isn’t my cup of tea. I’d have to give up the pop tarts and gummy bears and that ain’t happening anytime soon. LOL

    I am beginning to think there must be a contest out there we aren’t aware of because just when I think it can’t get much crazier – it does and people fall for it.

    Did anyone watch the newest propogator at the Florida Outpouring last night? I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair. He was talking about his encounter with the angel “winds of change”. According to him, she stopped traffic on I-75 for the encounter…After he referred to her as a “she”, he tried to backtrack…then he called it a “he”, then an “it” then a “creature”. Then he almost lost it when he called “it” a “she” again. He was really struggling with that tall tale.

  7. I spent some time on that site a few days ago, andvitbis sickening.

    The new mystics?

    Toking the Spirit?

    Sipping Godka and smoking Jehovawanna?

    Talk about going off the edge!

    And all that talk of raisingbthe dead is obviously image-building.

    Ah! Come, Lord Jesus. And keep us from this mess till You do.

  8. Bro. Yomi,

    I heard the same things myself a few days ago, and sat there dumbfounded. Have they lost all sense of reverence for God to reduce Him to vodka and marijuana? This is madness!

  9. Dorothy, did he finally make up is mind whether it’s a she, he, it or just a creature. lol. 😀

    Benthly is a confused fellow.

    Someone please link me up, I need to shed some weight.

  10. Hi Naomi,

    No – he did not come to a resolution…thus he really had a hard time trying to describe what he claimed to see, although he did use “she” more that “he or it”, but “creature” was a close second. LOL

    He appeared to get so frustered that he finally dropped the topic of the so called vision. Obviously, it wasn’t clear…

  11. Douglas,

    Reverence is certainly not in their dictionary. Its heart-wrenching watching those folks reduce Christianity to a series of highs.

    To think that somehow the 11 and the rest of the early Church missed out on these experiences!

  12. Yomi,

    Those folks missed out big time. Not with the relationship we have with Jesus and the Holy Spirit today. We can beckon on him to come at anytime. Gist with him, eat with him, command him…

    Infact, I don’t go out without asking the Holy Spirit to choose my attire. lol

  13. They have practically reduced God to nothing – jehovah wanna!!! It’s a sad case.

    If we look at our past life, we have also mocked God in so many ways. We are grateful for His grace and mercy that is keeping us till now.

    I have an idea Phil. Let’s have a post where we can post the silly things we believed and practised while in deception. By recanting some of these things publicly some may learn from our foolishness and be saved.

    What say ye brother?

    Phil: That’s not a bad idea my friend:)

  14. If you don’t know Pastor Michelle, don’t talk anything against her…. She is a powerfull woman of God, honest, humble….so be carefull……….

  15. Elsa,

    I may not know Michelle personally but I’ve met plenty who do know her and they all say “thank you for exposing this lying snake of a cult leader”….

    Phil

    PS: Stick around cause you ain’t seen nothing yet!

  16. After doing a little research myslef. I have a questions phil, your comment of “I’ve met plenty who do know her” as far as I can tell your living over in Greece? How have you met anyone? some emails perhaps. Thats not meeting them, as a matter of fact it shows me how you twist and manulipate things to fit “your” opinion. You make it seem like you have spent time in talking with many people, knowing who they are, and where they come for. Instead you take a comment as a matter of fact and make it seem as “Golden Truth”.
    Sorry, maybe you should research some of the people before you take their word.

    Phil: Ever heard of telephones PJ? Skype? I spoken to at least a DOZEN pastors in your area and they all say the same things….

    Lokain as for one, this young man was at the church, but was still choosing to be in witchcraft “his own confession, out of his own mouth” when told that he need to stop what he was doing, change his life and give up the things that did not honor God (read the book of the dead, an more), is when he left and lashed out Pastor Michelle. He was shown the truth in scriptures contray to his claim of lack of scriptures at the church, and shown the love of Christ. But he still choose to dable in the occult.

    Matthew 7 1:5 1″Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
    3″Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    Sorry but by the Same Measure, your a LIAR…
    Get the facts, because John Crowder published her, does not me she supports him, as a matter of fact, she is sick of the actions there. But as a women of God, she is praying for him and showing him the Love of Christ.

    Phil: How am I a LIAR PJ? I never said your wife supported John Crowder….now who’s doing the twisting PJ?

    All I hear from you is Hatered toward anyone who does not line up with your again “Opinion”, especially women. I understand your trying to do good, but There is no love of Christ, None. Even when Jesus exposed things there was love and truth. I will be praying for you and all the people you have led astray.

    Phil: How have I led anyone astray PJ? BTW: Please show me in Scripture where it states a woman can hold the office of elder/overseer?

  17. I must say how sad it is that we find it so sad that we sit and critize another believer in Christ. This is bashing the very body we are to love. Please do not sit there and judge. First Pastor Michelle is mighty women of God. God has used her to touch 1000;s of lives when I did some research on you, you seem to dislike many people the Lord is using. If signs and wonders follow them that believe you do not seem to be comfortable with that. She has been used in other nations to bring God glory as well as the USA> She never once said that she did anything she always gave and still gives the Glory to God. She did not even write the article and you all are bashing her. Who do know that knows her because she has never been to greece and that is where you are from. Phil: I live in Greece…..I’m from the USAAlso if you have met people that claim to know her and they are bad mouthing her be careful. There are always people that will be used to try to stop what God is doing. God does used women and may I remind you that Deborah was a judge and prophetess over all of Isreal. Only to name 1 there are many others. Did Jesus have to touch anyone for them to be healed for did He have to lay hands on Lazerus for him to raise from the dead. I do not think so. And since Jesus is the same today as he was then I am sure he could stand in the street and command her to live. Pastor Michelle never used the words inner eye. That term was in the article again she did not write. There were a group of people that saw the accident and came to her she ran outside. When she arrived the police had already pronouced her dead then Pastor Michelle began to pray and command her to live. She called her back into her body and live. It was not as crazy as you may think. It is what we are commanded to do in the Great Commision. Everyday people are being raised from the dead all over the world. Why is it so hard to believe? I know what happened because I was there as a witness and saw it happen. Do not think for one minute that God does not use her he does. She is his daughter and He loves her very much. He will keep on using her. Do not forget the message in the word that warns you, Touch not my anoited do my Prophets no Harm

    Phil: Ah….the “touch not mine anointed line”…..haven’t had one of those in a while……where have I caused MD physical harm? That is what that verse actually means. It looks like your “pastor” is doing a fine job of teaching her goats the bible…..that’s for the chuckle….

  18. The accident is documented and I would challage to remember the young women who is now alive I am sure she is thankful that God used His servant to bring her back.

    Phil: Where is this “accident” documented Terry? Can you provide such documentation…..if you can I will post it up for all to see…..

  19. Hi All,

    I received a few comments here and at another thread defending Michelle Duarte. Different tags but they all seem to be coming from the same computer….except for the comments from Michelle Duarte’s husband (PJ)……….interesting……

    They never seem to address the woman pastor issue….but how can they? Read 1Timothy 3 and please show me how Michelle Duarte is the husband of one wife…..if you can I will shut this blog down…..

    I’m serious…I will shut Theology Today down TODAY if you can prove to me from Scripture that Michelle Duarte or any other woman for that matter can hold the office of elder/overseer……

    Here’s your chance to shut me down…..

    Any takers?

  20. You can post this for now: in your own words “your “pastor” is doing a fine job of teaching her goats the bible…..that’s for the chuckle….”

    Phil: It should have read “thanks for the chuckle” which was in regards to the “touch not mine anointed” line your cult member dropped on me to scare me…sorry for the confusion…

    Shows me how much you truely know the Word Of God. That you would call ANY of His sheep (that is what God Calls His People) “goats”, even if for chuckles. Jesus Christ died for ALL, and treated all with respect and love.

    Phil: Jesus died for the elect Joe….the elect are the sheep Joe….not the goats Joe…..and I based that on many of the emails I’ve received from some of your cult followers….the whole “known by their fruits” thingy…..

    Eph. 5:1-7
    1 Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children
    2 and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
    3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.
    4 Nor should there be obscenity, FOOLISH TALK OR COARSE JOKING, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
    5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[a]
    6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
    7 Therefore do not be partners with them.

    This shows your true heart and the twisted mind in which you are opperating. Wonder how many others you have called goats or worse without their knowing?
    Phil: Twisted mind? That’s hilarious….did your wifes “inner eye” tell you that Joe? Actually Joe your attempts at correcting me with Scripture shows how you twist God’s Word to attempt to silence or scare me….that’s what cult leaders do Joe

    You know them by their fruits! Way to go Phil. All you hold to is 1Tim3, sorry to let you know there is alot more to the Word of God! maybe you should spend sometime finding that Relationship with Him. Time for some healing Phil. I’ll be praying for you, and I have no personnal beef with you, I truly feel sorry for you. Pray your tennis game is better than your testimony.
    Your **goat** comment shows your true colors!

    Phil: I don’t just hold to 1Timothy 3 Joe…..I usually just open with that…..read this post and the comments Joe;
    https://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/women-in-church-leadership-biblical-or-blasphemy/

    I see you didn’t take my challenge….probably a wise decision on your part Joe….but I’m here any time you’d like to try……

  21. P.S. I do forgive you for calling me a goat, God Bless and have an awesome day in the Lord!

    Phil: And I forgive you for the ad hominems (twisted mind, liar and whatever else you’ve called me either publicly or privately)…..like I said Joe….anytime you’d like to take my challenge I’m here but you’d better read this posting first…..it will save you a whole lot of time and maybe you might just learn a thing or two….and maybe, just maybe you and your wife will repent of this foolishness and serve God’s kingdom….

    https://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/women-in-church-leadership-biblical-or-blasphemy/

  22. Funny how you like to change the subject, when your in wrong you go back to woman in ministry, Your cold and vengeful heart has spoken calling any of Gods people ***goats***

    Phil: The very first issue I raised was that there is no such thing as a woman pastor…..wait….your wife is. I should say the Bible says there is no such thing as a woman pastor….something you choose to ignore. There’s a BIG difference between women in “ministry” and women in church leadership Joe.

    Matthew 12:34-37
    34 You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the MOUTH SPEAKS out of that which FILLS THE HEART.
    35 The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil.
    36 But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment.
    37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
    Lets look at the the Inverted Pentagram, inside is the five pointed star and what it’s called ” a goat ”
    Phil: Joe. Jesus says the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:31). He says the sheep will be on the right and the goats will be on the left. Verses 34-35 tell us that those that are His are sheep, those that are not are called goats. IOW if you aren’t following Jesus and obeying His Word…..which CLEARLY you aren’t….then you are a goat.

    Don’t try and back peddle YOU still called God’s people goats, Jesus Died For All that none should perish -Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do, the problem is you put yourself as an elect and sorry to tell you that a cult. Like to know where you got the whole Jesus died for the elect? Wonder what denomination you are?

    Phil: Backpeddling? HA HA HA! Thanks for the chuckle Joe. I got the whole “Jesus died for the elect” thingy from the Bible….a Book you clearly don’t understand.

    You still called Gods people *** goats *** facts are fact!

    Phil: I think we have a very different view of just who God’s people are Joe. God’s people are those who follow Christ and obey His Word…..you may believe you are following Christ but you aren’t obeying God’s Word.

  23. To make it clear to you all, I am a member of livingwaters christian center and I tell you the truth that Pastor Michelle Duarte does not agree with the Godka or Jehovawanna crap.
    Phil: I never said she agreed with John Crowder

    I’ve been undeer her for four years and have grown in love with the Lord so much thru her example AND her teachings. In no way do I glorify her at all and in no way does she recieve honor from men,but she is a true vessel of God and Does not the Lord say that Signs and wonder shall follow those whom believe? (Mark 16:15-20) and that Hebrews 2:4 with God bearing witness of himself through the works of the spirit?..We must build the body of christ on these truths and show the jesus is real by him doing the work through us so we can shine our lights in the darkness for the world to see! It doesnt matter to me if you believe phil in women pastors,but what matters is are you doing what you’re called to do phil, brother in christ? We love you man

    Phil: Yes, I believe I am doing what I’m called to do.

  24. Phil: I have reason to believe that this is either Joe Duarte or someone using his computer

    I’m just wondering phil do you remember what Jesus said that in the last days that we would be doing greater things then he did. Also when we accept Jesus as are Lord and savior
    Now doesn’t that mean that now the holy spirit lives inside us and give us access to the kingdom of heavon. Also if I can remember in the bible didn’t Jesus say that it is are duty as followers of him to heal the sick cast out devils raise the dead preach the good news. And he didn’t say just men can do it. (Phil: He was speaking to his disciples in regards to healing the sick and raising the dead….and yes we are to share the Good News)He said all my follower that include women. Also Paul said this is what he beleives if u read the scripture before the one you are trying to prove to the people. Also bible is suppose help teach uplift the body of Christ not hurt people. And all I see is you are using the bible to hurt this church. Jesus said to love one another and bashing is not following what he said. So phil if you love Jesus please stop this bashing even if you think they are a occult your suppose to pray and love them. That what Jesus said.

    Phil: I see….It’s ok for Joe Duarte to come in here and repeatedly bash me with ad homs but when I attempt to correct him with Scripture I’m not loving?

  25. Phil: I have reason to believe that “faceless” is either Joe Duarte or someone using his computer

    I’m just wondering phil do you beleive that a women should be present or vice present. All I want is a yes or no answer that’s it

    Phil: Sure why not……that has NOTHING to do with women in Church leadership so don’t even go there….

  26. This is not to you phil but to all those you are misleading, Phil Calls himself the “elect” and that Jesus died only for those. Sorry but, Jesus died so that NONE WOULD PERISH. Phil will belive what he wants and lead all those astray. He calls anyone who dosen’t belive him a *** GOAT *** you see, we all at one time were not belivers, yet God still Loved you and never called any of His lost sheep, anything but that.
    Phil: No Joe….I call anyone who doesn’t obey God’s Word a goat…..and you clearly don’t obey God’s Word….

    Luke 15:1-7
    1 Now the tax collectors and “sinners” were all gathering around to hear him. 2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.”
    3 Then Jesus told them this parable:
    4 “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it?
    5 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders
    6 and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’
    7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
    Jesus used this Parable of “Sheep” because that is what God calls His people, and Jesus never called them any less (Like You!).
    Phil: See my answer above

    You still did not respond to what denomination you were? ( Avoiding It! )

    Phil: I’m a reformed Orthodox Christian Joe…..

    Lets take your whole mis-teaching of 1Tim3. I’m going to be short.
    Lets look back at the time in which this was written, woman were not educated nor were they in high position, they were looked down upon. This was written to the men because that is who in positions of authority back then.
    Your whole ground is that how can a woman be a Husband of one wife as in 1Tim3 2-3 “2 now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.” This is your ideaolgy, and by your ideaolgy lets look at another scripture:
    Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
    8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
    If I were to apply your shallow narrow minded ideaolgy, ALL us men are doomed, Because He is coming for a bride, How can a man be a bride!(Your ideaolgy)(and I do know what the Bride is symbolic of) Last thing exposing who is twisting what, your twisting of Matthew 25:31 and your justifcation of calling Gods people *** GOATS *** you all need to see how this man twists things to fit his needs. This scripture is when Jesus and and all the Angels comes back and then sits on the throne of His Judgement, does He ever call any of His people goats and not until then, this misguided man is trying to mis-lead all of you. He puts himself as an elect and you all need to be careful

    Phil: The only one who is misguided here is you Joe….

    Matthew 24:24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
    Yes even the elect will be decived and as you put yourself as an elect it seem that this scripture is oh so true. I pray your eyes to be opened and bind up that religous legalistic deciving spirit in Jesus name.
    Still have’t answered what denomination you were?

    Phil: So I’m deceived? How so Joe? That verse you used to slander me says “if” it were possible….geesh Joe Mamma sure is teaching you well isn’t she?

    To Everyone Look up these scriptures:
    Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
    Phil: That prophecy was fufilled at Pentecost Joe

    Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
    18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
    Old and New testament: Sons and DAUGTHER will prophesy. Sorry Phil, your whole 1Tim3 is old male religous thinking, and I’m not planning on putting on a wedding dress anytime soon… that one is for chuckles. You need to find healing and a true relationship with the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    Phil: All fufilled at Penetecost Joe……

  27. Reformed Orthodox Christian *** RELIGION *** narrow minded!
    Kinda like when Jesus first came, wasn’t what they thought He should be!

    Phil: Actually similar to Pauls theology…I suppose he was narrow minded too?

    Anything flowing in the Holy Spirit he bashes, or woman in ministry. By Phils own ideaolgy (Showed you above) all males are doomed, sure hope Phil looks good with a dress on.

    Phil: Not true…..I never said all males are “doomed”….that’s you trying to put words in my mouth with your sloppy exegetical skills….I don’t bash “anything flowing in the Holy Spirit” I expose those who are pretending to flow in the “Holy Spirit” and I know this because what they (folks like you) say and do contradicts Scripture….

    As for me I will be praying for Phil and the sheep that he is leading astray, I pray that you have an encounter with the Holy Spirit that will rock your mind and wake you up. You have a awesome passion, but your eyes are scaled over.

    Phil: You still haven’t shown me how I have led anyone astray Joe….and you still haven’t addressed the women in church leadership issue….at least not with Scripture that is. Please show me one instance in the NT where a woman was either an elder/overseer Joe?

    I have seen the power of God move ( Not the Crazy Stuff Out There ) How can this man say, that it was “All fufilled at Penetecost” was he there? This is the same religious spirit that Jesus had to come against and is still opperating today. What you choose to belive I can’t change, all I can do is pray for you Eph. 6:12.

    Phil: Joel 2:28 was fufilled at Pentecost Joe…..

    *** BUT ALL THE REST OF YOU NEED TO BECAREFUL *** Jesus did not just die on that cross and it was all over, He sent us the HOLY SPIRIT which this man like to bash any works out there (I’m not talking about the crazy stuff out there)
    There are real movements of the Holy Spirit and it is teachings like Phils that are robbing the Body of Christ.

    Phil: Again please show me how what I’ve presented has “robbed the Body of Christ” Joe?

    And Phil, if I have anything to say to you I’ll address it directly! I don’t need to use a different sign in name. I truly do pray the best for you and would love to see the Holy Spirit truly touch your life.

    And for the rest of you who want to post anything to try and show that Phil is wrong, you are dealing with a religious spirit. Just show him the Love of Christ and pray for him. Pray that whatever he post has no seed and takes no root in anyones mind or spirit. And pray that he truly finds a Real Relationship with God and that Holy Spirit has His way with him.
    Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    Phil: Joe. How am I wrong? Please show me with Scripture how I am wrong…..anyone that has spent anytime on this site KNOWS I am open to correction….so please show me with Scripture how I am wrong?

    Phil is not a bad person, let’s remember Jesus died for ALL of us, but he does need to be set free!

    Phil: Set free from what Joe?

  28. Hi Joe,

    Here are some verses regarding “unconditional election”……

    Proverbs 16:4 NKJV
    The LORD has made all for Himself, yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.

    Exodus 7:1-5 NKJV
    So the LORD said to Moses: “See, I have made you as God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet. “You shall speak all that I command you. And Aaron your brother shall speak to Pharaoh, to send the children of Israel out of his land. “And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. “But Pharaoh will not heed you, so that I may lay My hand on Egypt and bring My armies and My people, the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments.” And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I stretch out My hand on Egypt and bring out the children of Israel from among them.”

    John 13:18 NKJV
    “I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.’

    Romans 8:28-30 NKJV
    And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

    Jude 1:3-4 NKJV
    Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    1Peter 1:1-2 NKJV
    Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

    2Thessalonians 2:13-15 NKJV
    But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

    Ephesians 1:3-14 NKJV
    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth– in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory. In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

    Romans 9:6-25 NKJV
    But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.” And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? As He says also in Hosea: “I will call them My people, who were not My people, and her beloved, who was not beloved.”

    As you can see Jesus did NOT die for all Joe……

  29. Hi Joe,

    Phil is 100% correct. Michelle has no business being a minister. She is in full rebellion AGAINST God by doing so. She is not the husband of one wife and take a look at Eph 5:20-25…pay close attention to the structure. This is a creation covenant structure and has beent here since the foundation of the world.

    If you love her then I would pray your sole purpose would be to bring her into compliance with God’s word because as it stands, then she is commiting blasphemy and you are her enabler.

    Also,

    Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

    Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

    Phil is again right – God does NOT love everyone.

    I do hope you are listening to Phil. This is very important and not to be taken lightly.

    • you both are dumber than rocks and i say that the nicest way possible it is because of sexist racist people like you that so many dont beleive in god next your going to say god only loves white people get over yourselves and be happy wow we have limited time here and your wasting it arguing over your personal interpretation of the bible. you can read the bible 100 times and will always find something new.live for the lord help others follow the commandments and be happy stop all this because none of you are right you are all wrong very very wrong. god bless you from a hispanic woman
      oh and i have met Pastor Michelle and she is an awsome loving and extre,y gving person she is a woman of god what rolls off your tongue isn’t woth the saliva your wasting talking badly about any one is gossip with or with out scripture and that is wrong period. again be happy you have your knowledge something many people dont have and i knw i said your dumber than rocks and i am sorry but i am admitting it and i am repenting for the nasty thought. please be happy i cant say that enough

  30. Poor dorothy, just like in the Wizard of Oz you are truly misguided. Yes it is the structure, but your misguided… this is regarding the marriage between a husband and wife and their home and is not talking about the structure in Ministry! Sorry to tell you she is a Pastor and so am I, and at home I am the Head.

    Is God not Love? you talk about blashpemy you both don’t have a clue about Gods Love, How could you with this religious mind set!

    Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
    Is God a hypocrite? NO, why would He ask you to love your enemies if He didn’t love them first!

    1John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
    Hello does the Bible have misprints? NO, HELLO *** GOD IS LOVE ***

    When studying the Bible, it is critically important to always study the context of a particular Bible verse or passage. In these instances, the Prophet Malachi and the Apostle Paul are using the name “Esau” to refer to the Edomites, who were the descendants of Esau. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob (whom He later renamed Israel) to be the father of His chosen people, the Israelites. God rejected Esau (who was also called Edom), and did not choose him to be the father of His chosen people. Esau’s and his descendants, the Edomites, were in many ways blessed by God (Genesis 33:9; Genesis chapter 36).

    Phil: Hey Joe. I thought you got your answers from the Holy Spirit? The last time I checked this site wasn’t it;
    http://www.gotquestions.org/Jacob-Esau-love-hate.html (2nd paragragh)
    You lifted your answers from a secular source and didn’t give them the credit! That’s plagerism Joe….and you talk about integrity

    **And to your poor job of Interpreting Mal 1:3 & Rom 9:13
    When studying the Bible, it is critically important to always study the context of a particular Bible verse or passage. In these instances, the Prophet Malachi and the Apostle Paul are using the name “Esau” to refer to the Edomites, who were the descendants of Esau. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob (whom He later renamed Israel) to be the father of His chosen people, the Israelites. God rejected Esau (who was also called Edom), and did not choose him to be the father of His chosen people. Esau’s and his descendants, the Edomites, were in many ways blessed by God (Genesis 33:9; Genesis chapter 36).

    So, considering the context, God loving Jacob and hating Esau has nothing to do with the human emotions of love and hate. It has everything to do with God choosing one man and his descendants and rejecting another man and his descendants. God choose Abraham out of all the men in the world. The Bible very well could say, “Abraham I loved, and every other man I hated.” God choose Abraham’s son Isaac instead of Abraham’s son Ishmael. The Bible very well could say, “Isaac I loved, and Ishmael I hated.” Romans chapter 9 makes it abundantly clear that loving Jacob and hating Esau was entirely related to which of them God chose. Hundreds of years after Jacob and Esau had died, the Israelites and Edomites became bitter enemies. The Edomites often aided Israel’s enemies in attacks on Israel. Esau’s descendants brought God’s curse upon themselves. Genesis 27:29 tells us, “May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers, and may the sons of your mother bow down to you. May those who curse you be cursed and those who bless you be blessed.”

    Phil: Poor job of interpreting Scripture? You didn’t even bother you let someone else interpret this for you because this bit above is lifted from the same link as your other interpretation…..maybe you should ask Dr. Towns what he thinks about women in church leadership?

    You two ( dorothy & phil ) if your not married should think about it, because you both love to twist the word of God to fit your theo-ideaology!

    I do pray for you both.

    ******* WARNING TO ALL THAT READ ANY OF THESE BLOGS ***********
    You should be careful of what you align yourself with, I have pointed out many times WITH SCRIPTURE that God is love and loves all! phil has called any who don’t agree with him GOATS, and now dorothy is taking his side that God does not love all, HELLO OUT OF THE MOUTH OF JESUS
    John 3:16 “For God so LOVED the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believs in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

    Phil: No Joe. I stated that the “goats” weren’t His….and Dorothy isn’t taking my side she’s taking God’s side and trying to get you to see you are in direct disobedience to God’s Word….and Dorothy doesn’t have to run to “gotquestions” to prove her beliefs…she KNOWS them

    Yes, go and twist it with, only those who belive in Him, but there are many who at first did not belive or know Him, but it was GODS LOVE THAT SHOWED THEM THE WAY. Which you phil and the people with whom you have helped mislead DO NOT SHOW!

    And no dorothy, I LISTEN TO GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, THANK YOU!

    Phil: Do you Joe? It looks like you listen to “gotquestions” and the last time I checked “gotquestions” wasn’t either. God and the Holy Spirit are crystal clear about woman in church leadership…..something you thumb your nose at

    dorothy, Again the Husband of one wife thingy!!!! IF you took the time to read with clean glasses.

    NOW you must apply the SAME theo-ideaology to all THE SCRIPTURES
    Taking yours and phils theo-ideaology and apply it to REV 19:7

    Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
    8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

    If I were to apply this shallow narrow minded theo-ideaolgy, ALL us males are doomed!!! Because He is coming for a bride and you must ask yourself How can a male be a bride! (maybe in san francisco!)

    Phil: Your comparing apples to oranges…..riddle me this. How does one consumate a marriage Joe?

    BUT I’M SURE YOU BOTH WILL FIND A WAY TO TWIST IT, BUT THERE IS NO DIGGING OUT OF THIS HOLE!!! ( How can a male be a Bride)….

    Phil: That’s an issue you created with your sloppy exegesis….maybe you should ask Dr. Towns what he thinks since you place him in such high regard……

  31. Joe,

    You repeat John 3:16 without taking into context the verses in front of it and behind because they do speak of those born of spirit and those born of flesh.

    You’re ALL position dies here:

    Matt 20:16 “So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.”

    Matt 20:28 “just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

    Matt 22:14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”

    Matt 26:28 “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    Mar 10:45 “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

    Mar 14:24 And He said to them, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

    Luk 13:24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

    MANY – and this is followed up here:

    John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

    Acts 2:29 “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

    Now, unless you’re a universalist, then you can’t get around these verses with your ALL.

    In fact, it is a typological repeat of the destruction of Pharaoh.

    It was 430 years between Abraham and Moses and it was 430 years between Malachai and Jesus. Amazing how that works, isn’t it?

    Nice try on Esau – but you missed Mal 1:2-3 “I have loved you,” says the LORD. “Yet you say, ‘In what way have You loved us?’ Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” Says the LORD. “Yet Jacob I have loved; But Esau I have hated, And laid waste his mountains and his heritage For the jackals of the wilderness.”

    Heb 12:16 lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright.

    Eph 5:5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

    More later –

  32. Hey Joe,

    I see part of my post fell off – The typological repeat of the destruction of Pharaoh is found in the book of Malachi. That’s what Malachi is all about….

  33. Phil – I am interested in learning more about this “Pastor” Michelle. Could we chat by email. I know someone who is a fan of hers – but something does not sit right with me. Thx.

    Phil: Haven’t you learned enough? My email addy is located on the contact me page found at the right side of the main page…..stick around because I discovered another “gem” that will further demonstrate those folks are clueless….

  34. Nameless, a bond servant of the LORD, JESUS CHRIST…
    To All,
    I find it concerning in more ways then one, that multiple individuals will spend so much time defending issues that need no defending or addressing issues that need no addressing. For those individuals who continue to engage in these useless conversations, I pray for you deeply; to receive revelation, understanding and wisdom given by GOD from the HOLY SPIRIT through the WORD of CHRIST our LORD. What does it profit to defend a woman’s pastoral or apostolic position? If GOD has called this/that individual and HE is working in them and through them, let HIM continue to do HIS work. Does the word not say that HE is our vindicator? Secondly, this/that individual is completely accountable to GOD and GOD alone; for walking in a covenant that HE did or did not preordain for them (the consequences for not responding to GOD word, accordingly or correctly is highly sever). In other words, man has no place passing judgment on whether the occupancy of this/that role is GOD or not; but rather focus on making a wise decision on who they feel or know GOD has called them to submit to as their pastoral or apostolic head. Let GOD be the judge since HE is the only RIGHTEOUS JUDGE.
    Now my Question is, where does it state in the bible (GOD’s holy and infallible word) that a woman who is a pastor or apostle will not inherit eternal life for committing this sin, or rather be damned to hell for operating or function out of ministerial structure? In my reading of the word of GOD, I have personally never come across a scripture or any scripture of such (but I‘m open for correction). Now I state the following.
    PJ…Is this of GOD to waste precious time on these debates then doing whatever GOD has called you to do? What is the final resolution that you seek in defending your wife, isn’t that the FATHER’S job? What examples does this set for your church members to engage in these religious debates? Are we not suppose to turn away from them? And by chance, could this constant arguing and debating be causing you to actually compromise the true LOVE of JESUS CHRIST and your testimony? Just some things to consider in how you or your testimony can be perceived from those who read these blogs.
    Phil… We’ve had what I believe was a good heart to heart in regards to your personal belief system and theological opinions. Now, I have not changed my stances or position on any of the matters that we addressed before, however, do I agree and/or believe everything that has been published, taught, or lived out by these particular ministers or any minister for that fact, not at all. That’s why the word states to study to show yourself approved. I would encourage you to reread my previous blogs under a “comment from nameless and my response.” There is a lot of facts about the history of that time, that in all do respect you might not have understood or just flat out are negating. However, “The husband of one wife” verse in 1Tim 3 that you cling to I really don’t and can’t support as a valid rebuttal for this topic due to the cultural aspect at that time, but that was already stated in all of my previous blogs. However, my concern is this, for you claim to be a man of GOD, and one who loves HIM passionately I assume. I understand how you may feel in a sense. People are constantly saying that GOD is a GOD of love, compassion, hope, and every other loving character (which He is); but where frustration sets in because HE is also a GOD of war, correction, chastising, rebuke, wrath, and the elect chosen. So when people forget to convey that aspect of HIM it’s very upsetting; so I can most certainly see your concerns and problems with that. I, as a man of GOD, can respect you for that, but be slow to speak and quick to listen. Don’t let words or anger allow you to speak curses over your brothers and sisters in CHRIST. For example, the proper context meaning for a wolf in sheep’ clothing is ‘a individual who misleads GOD’s sheep by teaching subtle ways to disobey and break the law of Moses or most importantly the greatest commandments given by CHRIST to love our LORD GOD, and loving your neighbor as yourself (paraphrasing but found in full at Matt 22: 37-40); by also encouraging sin, the type of sin found in 1Cor 5:9-12 and 1Cor 6:9 that will encourage someone not to inherit the kingdom of GOD and truly be saved. I don’t see how being a woman pastor or apostle would encourage that and be considered a wolf in sheep‘s clothing. Phil, some of your concerns are very legitimate and bring light to the table for an urgent need for change, and other topics can be useless to even waste breath or time writing about. I pray if you haven’t already, that you find discernment on which is which.
    Now, to all who are proclaiming to be believers and followers of the faith of JESUS CHRIST: Stop cutting each other down with scripture and not practicing what you preach through your writings . I hear love, love, love, and see shots being take at each other consistently. That is not CHRIST-like behavior. PJ: “Poor Dorothy, just like in the Wizard of Oz you are truly misguided. Yes it is the structure, but your misguided…” Where is the love in that statement; or Phil: “like I said Joe….anytime you’d like to take my challenge I’m here but you’d better read this posting first…..it will save you a whole lot of time and maybe you might just learn a thing or two….and maybe, just maybe you and your wife will repent of this foolishness and serve God’s kingdom….” Does this statement glorify GOD or shout praises to self in your own self righteous ideologies?
    All parties involved need to repent for not being CHRIST-like examples to one another and to whoever else comes across this site by using words to tear each other down (please read Eph 4:29 for personal correction). I pray you find and see truth in this writing that you might be able to encourage one another for the good of the kingdom. GOD bless you all.

    Again with love….Prophet Nameless the Faceless one, a bond servant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST….

  35. Have you found your wedding dress yet phil. We can go on and on!

    Phil: You are too funny….why haven’t you addressed the issues raised Joe such as

    1). Women in church leadership

    2). The doctrine of election

    3). You lifting others work without citing your sources

    4). God loves “all”

    Until you do…..which we BOTH know you can’t….then you are finished on this thread…..but you can comment on the new post regarding the “5 dollar challenge” if you’d like……

    Thanks for the object lesson poser “pastor”

  36. To all, most of all God I am sorry for the cut down and foolishness, my Heart is not to hurt anyone, I’m was not here to defend my wife, but to show those who listen to this man his Heart. (Phil: How did you show my heart Joe?) God loves all, and it is those who listen to this stuff is why I even stated anything. It is the people who buy into this and get mis-lead. And I am truly and sorry. How good hearted people listen to stuff like phil and miss every having a true relationship with God, that was the only reason ( and no excuse ). Phil & Dorthy, be blessed the cut down were not personal, but hopfully to open your eyes, but only God can do that, Sorry, I truly do pray the best for you and all.

    Phil: Joe….what does “stuff like Phil” mean? Are you saying that people who follow what God’s Word instructs us to do are missing a true relationship with God?

  37. exuse me you need to get before GOD as in (jesus christ) ok There is a shuck thing as a women pastor you hogwash…… lo seiento

    Phil: Ah….more wisdom from the members of Michelle and Joe Duartes congregation…..why all the name calling? Why don’t you show me in the NT where a woman was a elder/overseer (pastor) Tory? Your biblically illiterate pastor Joe couldn’t do it….Michelle doesn’t have the courage to try and none of the rest of the drive by supporters of Michelle Duarte couldn’t either…..why’s that Tory?

    • did you even read what faceless wrote wow you are so bent phill on proving yourself right that you dont care about anything else wow brother man you need help. i will end this your right now get on your pedestal and pat yourself ont he back you are fool and i am so sorry for you dont do this to your self

    • Valeria,

      Yes, “nameless” and his/her comment was priceless as is yours however neither of you have been able to tell us with Scripture how a woman can be the husband of one wife.

      Thanks,

      Phil

  38. Hello Phil,
    Greetings and God bless my fellow brother in Christ. I haven’t had the full opportunity to read all your postings, but I have gone through your postings in regards to Living Waters Christian Center International and Pastor Michelle and Joe Duarte. I’ve found these postings to be quite interesting. Now, my opinions and truths that I look to share on this matter are not at all bias, as I will express. I may not stand in complete agreement with some of your expressed theology and/or reasoning, however, I do believe and stand for truth (and in some cases we are entitled to our own biblical opinion in regards to the interpretations of some biblical writings pertaining to some issues; and I’m sure you would agree) and warning those of potential danger and harm.
    As for myself, I’ve stumbled upon your posting and felt a need to provide some deeper insight to your view on this ministry. I used to be under the covering of LWCCINT and was highly involved in the church for a few years, attending every service possible and offering myself completely. I am ashamed to even called this place a church -let alone a ministry- due to how I’ve come to understand their ministerial code of conduct. However, I do appreciate my time spent there because I’ve come to learn a lot of good things and bad things with them. It’s unfortunate and sad to say mostly bad things regarding what not to do as a minister or an established ministry. This ministry functions under deep manipulation inviting all who become members to this church to eventually cut off any outside influences they have. For example friends, family, visiting other churches will all eventually cease by their advise and its advised by them to spend more time with the church and church members only. One thing that is highly advised, is not communicating with anyone who has already left the church because they might taint your view on the ministry and deceive you to believe that the church is an occult and it’s members are ungodly. If that doesn’t align with the definition of witchcraft then I don’t know what does, this is major manipulation and control. Also, the pastors have a way of justifying any and everything that has to with their short-comings or their family’s short-comings. It’s taught in the church that it is “unbiblical to bring concern, warning, correction, or even rebuke to the Head pastor”. They conceal issues from members of the church and the parents of minors that attend the church; that would be illegal in some sense not addressing to the parents and/or the proper authorities, or just flat out wrong in other cases. If you are not a valuable asset to this ministry then you are treated with no respect, torn down, discouraged, and told you’re disobedient all by the prophetic word of the lord (no caps because I don’t know in which god or lord they prophesy by). This ministry is also solely motivated by prophetic words and thus sayeth the lord messages. In my time spent there again more than a few years, I can count on probably both hands the number of times Pastor Michelle or Pastor Joe preached messages based on scripture. Instead they preach testimonies and try to apply scripture to it as much as possible or share some very outlandish visions of the supernatural or “testimonies” of miracles ( which very few are true to the point of validation). The messages that have been preached that were biblically sound were mostly taken from other sources like Elijah’s list, video study guides, or other ministers’ sermons that she revised in her words but are not her studies; while giving no credit to those sources. To provide sound doctrine when needed they use third party sources i.e. the teachings of John Bever video guides or sources and ministers that are similar. Another concern I have with this “ministry” is the amount of focus they put into “the gifts of god”. I believe in gifts that the Father has given us for propelling the kingdom forward and the winning of souls; gifts of music, abilities to draw crowds, effective task management skills, etc. Not everyone is good at these thing and some do it much better than others. At LWCCINT your gifts are taken advantage of being prostituted and used, making you feel as if you’re a slave or being pimp by them. The gift you have, are only use for their selfish gain to promote their vision while being made to believe it’s for god.
    There is tons of truth that I can share about this so called ministry/church. My commission is to warn those who may consider going to, do attend, or might be active members in the church, to be aware, very aware of these people. These people are playing with fire and leading the LORD’s sheep down a cold and lonely path. They have made promises and use the voice of the LORD without fear and trembling, and this concerns me. They speak of this vision for a sportsplex named Zion to restore family and develop youth. Yet the pastoral family is in shambles and youth are indirectly encouraged to sin and keep sinning. A very large part of their youth have turned away from the church due to being hurt by this church; and the ministry itself has undergone several series of declines due to members leaving and the church not growing. Why would a GOD of righteousness provide a facility for this to continue on a grand scale if it hasn’t been addressed now. All that being said, just think, I’m not even touching and addressing on the SERIOUS points either.
    1. Financial Responsibility (Delegation and proper distribution of tithes and offering)
    2. Debt (Due to lack of prioritization and continual missions and outreach trips being taken without clearing debts of the ones prior)
    3. Sin (The level of things that go on with both awareness and unawareness not being addressed accordingly) 4. Constant Justification (The claims of living a no compromise life for the LORD, but compromising when fit, to meet selfish needs and desires or needs for the church that would be wrong)
    Hope this sheds some light on some things for you. Thanks for your time.
    With love always
    AVOT aka A Voice of Truth.

  39. Pastor Michelle is a woman of God! She lives, walks and moves with the Holy Spirit and I know her personally. I was a member of her church for two years. I saw Demons being cast out of people, I saw a cripple walk, I saw victims of abuse and witchcraft being set free in the name of Jesus! This woman taught me how to be find inner healing and restoration from abuse and witchcraft by helping me to truly know God. Pastor Michelle has a true anointing from God. The Holy Spirit does gives visions and dreams in todays society…that wasn’t just for the apostles. ( Joel 2: 28 “And afterward,
    I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
    Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
    your old men will dream dreams,
    your young men will see visions.
    29 Even on my servants, both men and women,
    I will pour out my Spirit in those days.)

    Jesus Christ casted out demons and healed the sick and raised the dead, and as true believers in Him Christians are called to take authority over the darkness and sickness within this world. Jesus Did it, and commisioned believers to do the same thing. I rebuke the spirit of religion on this page….God Almighty can and will use a woman to bring his will to pass…He is God, and with Him, all things are possible. believers are called to support one another and pray for each other….not argue about religious doctrine. God uses different people in different ways to bring about His plans. The basis of living waters is about helping damaged youth find healing in a loving relationship with Jesus Christ….Living Waters reachers the Youth in a way that religion can’t. I know, I was an eyewitness.

    To pastor michelle, yes its me…Blonde ex Seventh day adventist Amber who didn’t believe in the gift of tongues. Blonde little Amber that you spent hours in prayer and deliverance with. Blonde Amber that left your church because she resisted the power of the Holy Spirit by not fully surrendurering to Christ. I just want you to know that your time and your prayers have changed my life. Yes, I was in the world for awhile, but I am Gods child, and He brought me back. Your work that you did in my life did not return Void. I am now a part of a ministry that is just like living waters, this time, I walk in more authority with no compromise. Pastor Michelle, thank you for your prayers, thank you for the lseepless nights you spend praying with youth. I love you and Joe and God will bless you for all that you do.

  40. Hi Brother Phil, I am thanking the Lord for you, thank you so much for taking time to expose the lies of the enemy(Satan) to our Lord Jesus children. I completey agree with Avot comments, I was also a member of LWCCINT FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND EVERYTHING HE SAID IS TRUTH AND I THANK MY WONDERFUL LORD JESUS FOR REMOVING ME FROM THAT SO CALLED MINISTRY. BROTHER PHIL KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU ALWAYS

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