Todd Bentley and the Florida Outpouring Part 2

I’m reading things about Todd Bentley that disturb me. I’m seeing things on Youtube that make me shake my head and I’m receiving emails that either praise me for bringing this to the publics attention as well as some who call me names my mother didn’t give me.

 

This Todd Bentley is quite a character. The guy has tattoos and piercing that make him look like a gang leader. The strange thing about this? He got all this done after he became a “Christian”. In fact he got all the painting and piercing done after he was actively involved in ministry! Why would Bentley do such a bizarre thing such as this?

 

Andrew Strom, a man who was once involved in the “Prophetic Movement” nonsense, had this to say regarding Bentley;

 

Now, I have come across Todd Bentley’s teachings on “How to visit the Third Heaven” before, and I tell you, it is nothing less than Guided Visualization’ taken straight out of the New Age movement. Nothing less and nothing more. It is exactly the same. And I want you to know that if you attend these kinds of things, or allow these men to ‘guide’ you or lay hands upon you, then you are opening yourself up to all kinds of spirits and demonic counterfeits. As I have stated before, this movement has absolutely NO DISCERNMENT at all. It has sunk into such deception that it’s leaders are opening people up to all kinds of demonic experiences on a daily basis. It has no idea that it is even doing it. -It behaves exactly like a movement that has been “given over to deception” by God. I urge again that everyone reading this would prayerfully consider CUTTING OFF all ties to this movement, lest you yourself become tainted by it“.

 

Bentley’s teachings resemble “New Age”? All kinds of spirits and demonic counterfeits? What’s a supposed “Christian minister” doing involving himself in a mess like this? Strom said a mouthful when he stated that the “Prophetic Movement” had NO DISCERNMENT and it’s obvious that those who sit under this lunatic haven’t any discernment as well!

 

Strom further states that those who sit under their teachings are guided by or who allow a lunatic like Bentley to lay hands on them are opening themselves up to unfamiliar spirits and demonic counterfeits. Geesh….this lunatic lays hands on as many people he can, yelling “bam” “bam” “bam” and pushing people so hard they fall down……which makes him laugh. The Holy Spirit is supposed to be the One knocking the folks down eh Todd….at least that’s what he claims….now we know better….the Holy Spirit isn’t in the vicinity of this “outpouring”.

 

Bentley is a part of Elijah’s List……that includes propheliars like Patricia King, Kim Clement, Rick Joyner, Cindy Jacob’s and Matt Sorger. Being on this infamous list allows them to promote their false prophecies as well as hawk their worthless books, CD’s DVD’S and trinkets to those who foolishly believe these propheliars speak for God. I can honestly say there isn’t one name or one “ministry” on that list I would trust….and that includes Bentley and ANYONE affiliated with this “outpouring”.

John 10:27 ESV

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

 

I don’t know exactly what voice those who sit under the teachings of Todd Bentley hear…..but I know it ain’t Jesus’ voice. How do I know this? Todd Bentley’s teachings contradict God’s Written Word…..and in my next segment I will dissect his teachings to show you EXACTLY how and WHY you should avoid this man and his “outpouring” like the plaque.

 

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33 thoughts on “Todd Bentley and the Florida Outpouring Part 2

  1. If you want to know under which anointing this Bentley fellow is operating, I suggest you read Warren Smith’s “Reinventing Jesus Christ.”

    It’s free to read online or download and, if you take the time, you’ll see and understand that those like Bentley in this so-called charismatic movement are absolutely no different from those in the New Age/Gospel/Spirituality movement. It is the same spirit, the same ‘force.’

    It is all Satan, he just tweaks it depending on the audience. This outpouring and anointing, my friend, is just demons wanting to take possession. Satan is preparing for the day when he finally manifests himself and he is preparing the people with delusions to make their acceptance of him much easier. Some of us are expecting ‘a great outpouring’ aren’t we? But do we know from whom it will come?

    As Satan wants to be GOD, he his also building his church along with his own anti-Christ and his own false prophets/teachers. And with his own gospel, which is the same thing repackaged and given different labels for probably hundreds of years.

    I have some of Warren’s book introduction posted on my site: http://lavrai.com/blogs/2008/04/27/must-read-reinventing-jesus-christ/

    And you may also find this blog useful in your studies: http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/

    Keep writing. You’re doing those who are calling you names your mother didn’t give you a great favor. They do not know it yet, but some of them, even if it’s just one or two, will soon understand this and love you for it.

    Peace.

    Phil” Hi Lavrai….Welcome to Theology Today!

    Your post is a blessing….thank you for the links and the encouragement!

    I’ll keep plucking away at this mess and I absolutely agree with everything you’ve said here!

  2. Thank you so much for your information, you have saved us from getting in any further, although we haven’t been we have been watching Todd Bentley every day on the god channel in England U.K.

    We were very unhappy with what we were seeing so I put Todds name down for Google searches to come down and yours came down this morning and my husband and I have read what you have said.

    We are so grateful..The trouble is last Sunday our Pastor read out an e-mail from others who were there and told us what was happening. It will come back to our Church I’m sure. Because of the TV live it will spread like nothing ever has before throughout our churches,

    We were in the last one that spread in the 90s and it took us years to recover. We nearly feel for this but it is far worse.

    Thank you we agree with you, we will keep looking at what you are saying here.

    Phil: Welcome to Theology Today. This “outpouring” will unfortunately spread throughout Europe because of GOD TV. All we can do is pray and warn.

  3. To add to Lavrai’s post, I’m reading “The Truth War” by John MacArthur. For a layman, it’s written in a simple manner that talks about our responsibility to the Kingdom and the deceptions that are being taught in the Church.

    Anyone who sits under these so called teachers really need to watch the videos Phil posted on Part 1. The responses that are derived from events like Bentleys are hyper emotionalism and are not based on
    Truth. The sooner people realize that they are being manipulated, the better. It’s a scam.

    We are in an age of mass deception….

    Phil: Hi! I’m watching the Bentley deception online. http://www.floridaoutpouring.com/ is the link.

    Are you enjoying reading the book?

  4. Hi Phil,

    I’m about 1/2 way through the book. While he is covering much territory that I’m already familiar with, I’m trying to view the book from the perspective of someone who isn’t sure about why the work done here is so vital to the body of Christ. I do believe MacArthur does a good job in that area. I would recommend his book.

    In the 1400’s the Church suffered under this type of apostacy and it birthed a reformation. I know some see the “end times” in these current events and imho it makes them lazy. I call it short timers disease. In truth, we don’t know that we aren’t repeating a pre-reformation event, so we should take each day and use it to advance the Kingdom. To do anything less is to be unfaithful in our duties. As I see it, we are at war.

    MacArthur is pretty clear – there is NO middle ground. I agree.

    I’m looking forward to seeing your next piece on Bentley…

    Dorothy

  5. Thanks for this, especially the YouTube footage. Did you see their statement of faith, right at the bottom he says that “We recognize that God is continually restoring truth and light to His Church. Therefore, we place no limit on further revelation; however, each must be substantiated according to the Scriptures.”?

    My pastor was last night raving about what God TV’s showing of the latest revival in Florida. This is just the latest in a long line of deceptions we’ve encountered and promoted. What do you do when you’re the only one who makes any attempt to “test the spirits” in your local church, even my husband is chastising me for having a “critical” spirit recently….

  6. Hi Maxine,

    Welcome to Theology Today!

    Pray and pray some more…that’s really all you can do. Thanks to GOD TV I’m afraid this deception will be sweeping the globe and there is no end in sight.

    We are all praying for you and your situation Maxine.

  7. Hi Maxine,

    I get the critical spirit comment from my husband once in a while and this is how I handle it. I will always admit truthfully that maybe he’s right because doing this work can bring forth a critical spirit. Then I take him to some work I’m reviewing and show it to him in light of scripture. Sometimes I don’t even need scripture, like when I see a total reprobate quoted in Christian work as support for a Christian principle. Every time, my husband has redirected his criticism away from me and directed it to the correct party.

    Don’t get upset if your husband does question you because it is a good thing to have someone check your position. So, I would suggest you give him clear and concise examples of your criticism and ask him to judge it under that light.

    The important thing is to gain your husbands respect and approval and not let him continue to view YOU in a critical light. Place blame where blame is due.

    I’ll be praying for you also.

  8. Good job, Phil. Already, your post has helped a couple of people.

    I’ve seen this sort of thing before. I was in this ‘charismatic’ deception. I mean, we were the Holy Ghost people, with all sorts of crazy and unBiblical practices.

    Thank God for a few men who spoke boldly and who God used to get me out.

    Maxine, in addition to what Phil and Dorothy have shared, do keep your eyes and heart on Jesus all the way. He is our only true security. He’ll help you keep your heart and attitudes right.

    God bless!

  9. My friend I take great issue with your attacks on this anointed man of God. Have you been to the meetings? If you had, you would not be saying these things. The Spirit of God is all over that place, there is electricity in the air. I would encourage you to go back and read Joel 2, and other verses that speak of the endtimes outpouring of the Spirit of God.
    I have been in meetings with Bentley in the past and though at first his appearance and mannerisms challenged me, I can’t deny that he carries a powerful anointing of God.
    It is not like they are worshiping the devil at these meetings They are singing and praising Jesus and the worship is out of this world.
    If you are this worried about being deceived, then your God is a lot smaller than my God. My God says that if we ask him for a fish, He won’t give me a snake. Jesus goes on to say that God will give the Holy Spirit to all who ask. This is God and this thing is real!

    Phil: Hi Dustin, Welcome to Theology Today!

    I received an email from Stephen Strader in which he claimed that Demons “manifested on God TV….what does a demon actually look like Dustin? If I were “attacking” Bentley, you would know it.

    I take great issue with your silliness….and I had you in mind when I wrote this…..see if you see yourself in this post;

    https://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/the-silly-sheeple-syndrome

    Have a nice day and thanks for stoppin by to brighten all of our days!!

  10. Dustin,

    Go read Acts 2:14-21. Pentecost there in the 1st century is the fulfillment of Joel 2 pouring out of the Spirit. I suggest you actually become familiar with your Bible so you aren’t deceived by what you hear. Joel 2 does not have dual fulfillment.

    It was the last days of the Jewish dispensation. Joel speaks of the great and awesome day of the Lord and Peter associates it with them. That’s a coming in wrath against an apostate nation.

    Get familiar with this type of language and the historical events that took place then you won’t make these kinds of mistakes or be deceived by what they declare – Look at Isaiah 19 which speaks of the destruction of Egypt that happened in BC480. Look at Isaiah 13 which is about the destruction of Babylon that was fulfilled around BC538.

    The last days can’t always be applied to the end of the world as I pray this post reveals.

    Dorothy

    Phil: Dual fufillment? I guess based on Dustins reasoning and outstanding comprehension of the Bible….Jesus will come back and die on a tree over and over again!!

  11. such sarcasm from those who are opposed to this movement. I’m inclined to believe that God does want to pour out His Spirit in these times, which do appear to be end times; food shortages, rich getting richer, etc. Why do we limit God, and say that He can’t do these things? I’ve been watching for 3 nights now, I’m conservative, but hungry for God, and I haven’t seen anything that seems contradictory to God’s word. I haven’t heard any barking that others have mentioned. I believe that if we are truly seeking Him, He will not let us be led astray. Jesus said; “My sheep hear My voice and I know them and the follow Me.”
    Two doctors report that a little girl doesn’t have leukemia, who formerly did have leukemia. Will we give that glory to Satan? Or give it instead to the God who died for her? And I find really offensive the post above; “I guess based on Dustins reasoning and outstanding comprehension of the Bible….Jesus will come back and die on a tree over and over again!!” To refer to that sacrifice in such a flip manner is disturbing. Is this how we are supposed to show our love for one another, so that people may know we are Jesus’ disciples? Let’s love and pray for one another, instead of tear each other down.

    Phil: Welcome to Theology Today!

    Dustin was making a statement that what was occurring in Lakeland fufilled the prophecies of Joel 2….which were fufilled in Acts 2….this means Dustin believes in dual prophecy. I wasn’t being flippant….just taking his flawed reasoning to the logical conclusion.

  12. Way over 1 million decisions for Christ. DOCUMENTED healings of cancer gone, blind eyes opened, deaf ears hearing, limbs restored, etc. Lets see, do I sit around and judge God working through one of His less than perfect children, or do I shut up and pray? It’s okay, I understand your need to kill the work of God like others with the same religious spirit who picked apart Jesus for healing on the wrong day, and rubbing spit in someone’s eye. You stay here and destroy people, I’m out the door to be the hand of God extended to a lost and dying world.

    Phil: Hi AA…Welcome to Theology Today!

    1 million decisions for Christ? Looks like the narrow road just got a bit fuller….if they truly are regenerated.

    No ones destoying anyone here AA….yes let’s all shut up and pray and turn a blind eye to those deceiving others in God’s Holy Name….

  13. You need to read Galatians 2: We are justified by faith in Jesus, not by Law, similarly, Galatians 4 because you are His Son God sent the spirit of His Son to live in you. The devil doesn’t want you healed he wants you dead, so why would he ever heal these people by 10%, do you have an answer to this.

    Phil: Hi Jesse…Welcome to Theology Today!

    The Devil only comes to seek and devour and what better way then to pretend to be an angel of light?

    2Thessalonians 2:9-12 gives us a good indication of what appears to be going on today….read Deuteronomy 13 and you will see why God allows this deception….specifically verse 3 may help to answer your very valid question.

  14. Thanks for exposing and please continue to expose this so-called revival in Florida and this Todd Bentley. Just think, the same crowd (the Karl Strader family ) that brought us Rodney Howard-Browne and his sham “laughing” revival ( which Hank Hanegraff exposed in his book “Counterfeit Revivals”), then bilked their own church members out of millions of dollars, have now brought us a tatooed, body-pierced Todd Bentley. Just read what the book of Leviticus has to say about such body desecration… it has nothing to do with sanctification. Psychological manipulation, altered states of consciousness, peer pressure and stress, are the alchemy of this so-called revival… not the Holy Spirit ! These men are all SORCERORS… not servants of God… Sorcerors= big money.

  15. You got it Allen –

    They are sorcerors – not servants of God. That’s a great description.

    I saw someone refer to the alter call. Maybe Phil knows the answer but wasn’t it Charles Finney who introduced that concept?

    I would be willing to say that most here don’t know that the alter call was an addition from the 1800’s.

    Also, thanks for mentioning Hanegraff’s book. I just ordered it with another called “Charismatic Chaos” by John MacArthur that came recommended by an elderly Anglican warrior that I know and love.

    Dorothy

    Phil: You are correct….Charles Finney started the whole altar call business…..as well as a HOST of other unbiblical practices…

  16. Dorothy.
    Charismatic Chaos is an excellent book. You might also want to check out “The Truth War” from him also, both are fantastic. It is sad, the complete lack of discernment in todays church. Scripture is so clear in issues like this, there is no room for mysticism or anything of that nature. These heretics (Bentley, Patricia King, Jim Jones) are leading people to a path of destruction, knowing (I’m sure) the implications.

    2 Peter 2:2-3 states: Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

    Vs. 2b “the way of truth”. What is the “way of truth?”
    God’s Word! Not erratic emotions or angelic visitations or visits to Paul’s log cabin in the sky.

    John 17:17 “Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

  17. Hi Sergio,

    I just finished The Truth War and it’s a great primer for those who don’t understand the work being done here. I’ve also ordered some old timer books that deal with these battles in the Church. There is no new heresy, just a slight modification of old ones.

    One of my favorite books of all time is The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah by Alfred Edersheim where he exposes the false ideas of that time and how Jesus cut them to the quick in his responses. No wonder they wanted to kill him. He made them look like the fools and vipers they were.

    Unfortunately in todays environment, so many Churches have watered down the gospel to the point it almost doesn’t exist then when their members see the work being done here, they don’t and can’t understand how vital it is to the health of the body. They have turned what is spiritual into something carnal.

    Thanks to Phil and others with blogs like this, maybe a few of them will begin to get it. We just need to keep hammering it home.

    Thanks for the recommendation.

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    Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

    Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

    2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness

  19. I still a bit confused, I thought the devil’s ministry was kill, steal and destroy, wouldn’t people receiving Christ and getting set free, repenting in Jesus name be bad for the devil’s ministry.

    I’ve actually watch Todd Bentley, watched the alter calls with the sinners prayer, watch him call out to Lord Jesus, ask Jesus’s fire to come upon the people there. I don’t see how this is in confict with the scriptures, and I certaintly don’t think the devil would be happy about it. And I certainty don’t think he would be leading people into repentance. If we can’t trust that we are calling on Jesus when we call out His name then we might as well all go home.

    Phil: You know what I haven’t seen yet? Bentley opening up a bible and teaching or preaching or even reading from it….not saying he hasn’t….I just haven’t seen him doing this and I’ve probably watched 30 hours or so this week.

  20. Hey Guys,
    Would it be possible that God has raised up a person like Todd Bentley, and given chosen to release his spirit in this manner partly because it is offensive to the mind? Todd Bentley himself has said he knows he will offend some but that God is tired of our religious, pharisitical narrowness. Since we are in Agreement that new age and Satan counterfeit the move of God, Then how come you arent agknowledging the REALITY. For those counterfeits to exist the reality must also. In the Bible the apostle Paul was taken to the Third Heaven.
    This is a move of God, Where Christ is preached and given the glory and people are saved- this is the work of God. Demons cannot say that “Jesus is Lord”.
    I implore you to ask God what is happening in Florida right now, and more importantly to allow him to direct the reading of scripture.
    Corinthians 1:27 “But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise”
    God bless my family in Christ- lets not be Divisive anymore!

  21. Andrew,

    Please show me in the bible a person who God sent that took up a collection everywhere he went? How did Paul support himself? Where does it say that God will manifest himself to us thru other men? If God can heal you and deliver you from demon’s(he can!) then way can’t he print money?

    Jesse,

    Anybody can make an altar call and pass a plate and I think the devil is delighted with people who seek after signs.

    Phil: The Didache states….I think its Chapter 11 that states the mark of a true Apostle was they wouldn’t stay more then 24 hours and WOULDN’T ask for money for themselves…

  22. Andrew,

    God raised up Pharaoh and the people were oppressed. So if you relate Todd Bentley to that then I’m with ya but it doesn’t appear that you do. The environment we are in today is much the same. We have many faith movements presenting other gods and we are to discern between those who promote God in all His charateristics and attributes versus those who deny His name in words and deeds.

    We are not to embrace these other gods. Movements like we are seeing today, humanism, tolerance, etc. are allowed by God but not caused by God. We are called to remain faithful no matter what the environment and not chase after other gods. The way we do that is through study of God’s word so we are not deceived. These movements love to promote God’s Word but they get angry when they are judged by it so they claim some new revelation. Jesus had some dire warnings for people who add or subtract from His Word.

    We are to remain sound in doctrine and test the spirits. When they don’t line up with scripture, which is our plumbline, then we are not to participate in their sin nor are we to fear them.

    You may not have a fear of violating your responsibilities in this area, but I sure do. I know who I serve and I am a slave to righteousness.

  23. Hi All,
    I was right….well half right:) Here’s Chapter 11 of the Didache…not Holy Writ but a snapshot of the early days;

    1 Whosoever, therefore, shall come and teach you all these things aforesaid, him do ye receive;
    2 but if the teacher himself turn and teach another doctrine with a view to subvert you, hearken not to him; but if he come to add to your righteousness, and the knowledge of the Lord, receive him as the Lord.
    3 But concerning the apostles and prophets, thus do ye according to the doctrine of the Gospel.
    4 Let every apostle who cometh unto you be received as the Lord.
    5 He will remain one day, and if it be necessary, a second; but if he remain three days, he is a false prophet.
    6 And let the apostle when departing take nothing but bread until he arrive at his resting-place; but if he ask for money, he is a false prophet.
    7 And ye shall not tempt or dispute with any prophet who speaketh in the spirit; for every sin shall be forgiven, but this sin shall not be forgiven.
    8 But not every one who speaketh in the spirit is a prophet, but he is so who hath the disposition of the Lord; by their dispositions they therefore shall be known, the false prophet and the prophet.
    9 And every prophet who ordereth in the spirit that a table shall be laid, shall not eat of it himself, but if he do otherwise, he is a false prophet;
    10 and every prophet who teacheth the truth, if he do not what he teacheth is a false prophet;
    11 and every prophet who is approved and true, and ministering in the visible mystery of the Church, but who teacheth not others to do the things that he doth himself, shall not be judged of you, for with God lieth his judgment, for in this manner also did the ancient prophets.
    12 But whoever shall say in the spirit, Give me money, or things of that kind, listen not to him; but if he tell you concerning others that are in need that ye should give unto them, let no one judge him.

  24. You are right that the Didache is not “Holy Writ”. We are to test the spirits indeed, and by what means are we to test these spirits? Out of our own understanding? Is the discernment of spirits not a spiritual gift? Along with supernatural healing?
    Are devils not being drive out NIGHT after NIGHT in Florida? Can the Devil be driven out by the devil? A kingdom divided cannot stand you will recall. Would the Devil delight in thousands upon thousands singing songs that Glorify Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord?
    Dorothy you say “. I know who I serve and I am a slave to righteousness.”
    Well I am not a Slave to righteousness, I aspire to be a slave to Jesus Christ, because we are not BOUND by the LAW anymore. If you read Paul’s writing you will see that righteousness apart from the grace of God is accounted as filthy rags before God. IT IS PURE GIFT. So that NO ONE MAY BOAST. Do you thing God would allow thousands upon thousands of his children and leaders to be led into spiritual darkness while proclaiming his name, PRAISING HIS NAME, calling upon his name, humbling, repenting, being healed of addictions etc. Do you recall Solomon and David blessed beyond measure with riches from the Lord, SINCE when has making money become a sin? Especially if you are using that money to travel around the world and preach the gospel. I CHALLENGE you- TO PRAY TO GOD. To say LORD- I’m pretty sure that TODD BENTLEY is a false PROPHET but I KNOW you have told me not to RELY on my own understanding, and that you DO USE THE FOOLISH things of this world, that your grace is offensive, and that you are a spirit-a supernatural God. (look at jesus ministry, miracle after miracle “and you shall do greater things than these”. Pray to God that HE WILL TELL YOU. Take it from him, not the DIDACHE. Because, My brothers in the faith, there is a danger of a RELIGIOUS spirit, of being enslaved to the LAW- TO RIGHTEOUSNESS, without knowing that God has paid the cost.. The kingdom advances. thanks for reading. I FEEL called to defend this man of God, because i was skeptical at first as well. THEY shall be known by their fruits…..

    Phil: Andrew, we have used the Word of God to test this mans teachings: the Didache was just in addition to a comment that was made referring to accepting money. Read the following;

    https://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/heavens-realities-or-todd-bentleys-delusions/

    How do you know people are being saved? Devils being cast out? How do you really know this Andrew? Bentley claims to have visited Paul in heaven….pretty far fetched eh Andrew? Maybe all the claims of devils being cast out are more of the same far fetched claims?

    I haven’t heard Bentley “preach the Gospel” Andrew….and I’ve watched this cad several times…but I hear a lot of talk about angels, burning embers ad nauseum….

    I don’t have to pray about Todd Bentley being a false prophet….God’s Word confirms this for me…but I do pray for the masses who have been led down the fruit loop trail (which most likely means you as well Andrew) as well as for Bentley.

  25. Hello Andrew,

    Quote: Dorothy you say “. I know who I serve and I am a slave to righteousness.”
    Well I am not a Slave to righteousness, I aspire to be a slave to Jesus Christ, because we are not BOUND by the LAW anymore. If you read Paul’s writing you will see that righteousness apart from the grace of God is accounted as filthy rags before God. IT IS PURE GIFT. So that NO ONE MAY BOAST.

    (Me)
    If you want to be a slave to Christ, then you certainly must come to know all about Him and that is revealed in scripture through inspritation of the Holy Ghost. I am a slave to rightousness and it is Him that I serve.

    1John 1:29 – If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.

    You say you are not a slave to righteouness. After reading this, you may want to revise your position here. If you need more scriptures I can provide them.

    While we most certainly are not justified by the law, it has not been abrogated. Christ was the end of the law for sacrifice, but He didn’t abrogate the law. (Matt 5:17-18)

    Paul called the law Holy, just and good. (Rom 7:12). You speak of it likes its vile and not understanding the purpose of the law today leaves you ill equiped to exhibit discernment. You do no understand the law nor its purpose. Try reading Psm 19:7-14.

    Understand:

    Gal 3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

    Gen 26:4-5 “And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

    Hmmmm – commandments – statutes – laws – BEFORE the Mosaic law…you need to think about that one.

    Eze 44:23 And they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and the unholy, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

    Keep studying Andrew. This Florida ourpouring is a deception.

  26. Here’s some quotes from an email discussion I had with a relation of mine about this revival and false prophets. I agree Dorothy about Jesus coming to fulfill the law, sorry for the misunderstanding. Phil just read this. I’m not going to be antagonistic even though you called me a frooty loop haha

    “The fact of the matter is that the Church of Jesus Christ is supposed to be manifesting the miraculous as a part of everyday living. We have lived for so long below that standard that we have all these nay-sayers who want the status quo to continue. If you read the book of Daniel (2:44), Mark 16:18-20, John 14:12 are we not told that power demonstrations will be a sign of those who believe? Ultimately, these demonstrations of God’s power will usher in a release of the glory of God where His name is preached. Unfortunately, there are those who will always end up moving in the flesh when the power of God moves upon them – church history shows revival after revival where fleshly manifestations were evident. That does not mean God is not moving. Remember also that God does not confirm a minister’s words, He confirms His Word. That is why we see fleshly ministers of God flowing in the power of God – they are speaking God’s Word which He confirms.
    It really does not matter what arguments people have against the results of God ‘s power on a person. What matters if that God’s power is demonstrated to “destroy the works of darkness” (I John 3:8). Remember, some of these manifestations have a demonic element to them as people are delivered when the power of God come upon them. As for the so-called necromancy charge, it is God who decides when angelic beings, departed saints and other heavenly beings are sent for the purpose of conveying a message. From Genesis to Revelation we see tremendous spiritual activity – angels and departed saints. Read in your Bible about the ANGEL of the LORD who is worshipped in the OT. Angels do not receive worship. Read Daniel 3:24-25 – it is clear that these men had a visitation from One who looked like the Son of God and the King and his attendants saw this 4th person. Why do we think it is not possible for departed saints to be sent with communication from God?
    Do you remember Jesus transfiguration? Does it not say that Elijah AND Moses were talking with Jesus? This is not something new it is Biblical. Observe the difference here – Jesus did not call up Elijah or Moses – they were sent by the Father with some purpose
    The Bible tells you how to discern a false prophet: if the word he speaks come to pass then he is not a false prophet. However, there is a more significant issue that we need to understand: the people of God are not to be led by prophets in this day of the Spirit. Prophets will see and warn the church of things that are coming but they do not lead God’s people. This is at the core of the problem of deception because we Christians are desiring to be led by everyone else except by the Holy Spirit

  27. Hey Andrew,

    I made an error in my scripture reference. I should have said 1John 2:29, not 1John 1:29.

    Also while there check out 1John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

    Also, in regards to the law – check out Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

    We do not have a license to sin…and what better gauge to our spiritual well being then to keep before us the Holy and moral character of God. I can say I delight in the law according to the inward man, or should I say woman. 🙂

    There is a fine line between being like the Pharisees and so subjective that they seek justification in the law and then there is the problem with those who are so objective there is no plumbline remaining to test them and see if they are from God. There must be a balance between the subjective and the objective. When you see one side taken to extreme, as we see in this Florida outpouring, then we can truthfully say – Houston, we have a problem.

  28. Good day, I am the webmaster for http://www.floridaoutpouring.com, so one could say that I have a biased opinion. But I want to ask one simple question: Why would the devil make people fall more in love with Jesus, give up their ungodly, addictive lifestyles to live a life of holiness? There isn’t a night that goes by that Todd doesn’t say “It’s all about Jesus. It’s not about me. It’s about Jesus.” If he was of the devil, why would he seek to glorify Jesus? I’m just not sure why a supposed “minister of satan” would tell everyone to look to Jesus, to worship Jesus, and after every healing why would he tell people to give the glory to Jesus? “A kingdom divided against itself will fall.” I’m just not sure I follow your logic. The best I can tell is that you would rather God smite the USA with the plagues of Egypt than to demonstrate his love through healing. Jesus never did what the people expected. He could have come as the deliverer of Israel in a physical sense and drive Rome off the face of the planet, but that wasn’t the Father’s way. He chose instead a lowely birth, and a cursed death to be his ultimate answer to the state of the world. He offended the religious establishment and the events in Lakeland have certainly done that. Jesus said that those who follow him will cast out devils, heal the sick and raise the dead, and preach the good news. So my question is: Does God still do that today, or do you think he would rather we stay in bondage and pain? If not, then why do you think it God wouldn’t want to do on a mass scale? I’m goal is not to point a finger, but to try to understand what your actual issue is with what is going on. All I ever see anyone doing is quoting someone else’s opinion of what MIGHT be going on in Lakeland (as most of the reports I’ve seen that are opposed don’t even get the facts right). All I can do is pray that truth wins out.

    Phil: Hi Adam…Welcome to Theology Today,

    To answer your “simple question” go to 2Corinthians 11:12-15. Anyone can utter the name Jesus….and many have including the Mormons….

    Another indication are what does the teacher teach? Is it Scriptural?
    https://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/heavens-realities-or-todd-bentleys-delusions/

    Another indication is the teachers lifestyle…and my biggest question (or red flag if you will) are the tattoos after his supposed conversion and while he already was in fulltime ministry? Scripture is very clear on this Adam (Leviticus 19:28).

    I heard Bentley say the other night “I want to see myself on GOD TV every night” so that’s another red flag….

    There are some of my “issues”….Too many red flags for me Adam!

  29. Adam,

    Which “facts” haven’t I got straight? Please enlighten us so we can all be corrected?

  30. I have people saying that Todd is not making any altar calls, that he isn’t preaching repentance, etc. Which is not the case, he has every night made an altar call, he has told people repeatedly that if their life is not right with Jesus that it’s all for nothing.

    As to the fact that Todd has tattoos, I will admit that as far as I’m concerned the jury is still out. All I know is that the apostles offended the religious elite by eating without washing their hands, sitting at the same table as Gentiles and eating their food, etc. They were an offense to established religion, but everywhere they went they healed the sick, cleansed the leper, and raised the dead.

    Todd asked a question the other night: How many people have you seen saved this week? How many sick people have you seen set free from the oppression of the devil? If you are going to cry “red flags”, fine. But don’t be guilty of what Jesus said about the Pharisees “You refuse to enter in and you bar the way for others”. If you are going to say “don’t go there”, what other option do you give a world that is sick and dying of not only sin, but of disease? The world is sick and tired of words, they want action. If you say “Jesus” people say “Don’t even talk to me”, but if you get them healed of their disease, and then say “Jesus healed you” they want to give their life to Jesus.

    So what pratical solution do you give if what is going on in Lakeland, London, Albany (Oregan), North Carolina, Kansas City, etc is not from God.

    P.S. I have no connection to Todd Bentley, Fresh Fire, Ignited Church or Stephen Strader.

    Phil: What are the people repenting of Adam? I haven’t heard sin or the results of sin (death) being preached at all….

  31. has there ever been a revival that was god breathed or all of these so called healings fake i find that hard to believe out of all the great healing ministrys that they were all fake and if your wrong about this then your not only denying todd but god himself. the praise and worship is awesome 2 hours or more of people on their faces at times. god inhabits the praise of his people and people are being healed in the crowd not by todd the devil is alergic to praise please explain id love to hear your comment

    Phil: Welcome to Theology Today…Immediately after worship Bentley takes the stage and the place erupted the other night….are they worshipping God….or Bentley?

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