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Being drawn or dragged?

Now that I’m back in America I’ve been visiting lots of different services looking for that church home the Good Book talks about. It’s definitely been an adventure and while I’m enjoying it to some degree the inconsistency makes me shake my head.

For example; I attended one gathering where the lingo was all about how everything under the sun was “God brought you here” or “God made sure that would happen” but at the end of the service God supposedly needs you to cooperate with him in order to save you for eternity.

Let that one resonate for a minute.

God is in control of everything and everyone in the universe except your salvation. That’s what they seem to be saying. I’ve heard that quite a bit over the past month.

I’m not going to disparage anyone here but sometimes I wonder if the Gideon’s left these preachers the Good Book because it clearly says the following;

 

(Joh 6:44)  No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

Now on its own and in modern English (this is the ESV from E-Sword.net) that word “draws” could lead folks to believe in cooperation between man and God. It’s an easy mistake to make and one I’ve made before. Now what we need to do in order to figure this thing out is once again go to the Good Book and re-examine that word “draws”.

This is from E-Sword.net and Strongs dictionary.

ἑλκύω, ἕλκω

helkuō    helkō

hel-koo’-o, hel’-ko

Probably akin to G138; to drag (literally or figuratively): – draw. Compare G1667.

Total KJV occurrences: 8

There you have it and it took all of about five minutes to do and it was free compliments of www.e-sword.net.

I don’t know about you but being dragged doesn’t sound like all that much fun and a far cry from “I let God into my life”.

“I cooperated with God” does sound better but I hate to say it but that isn’t the reality of what the Good Book is saying is it? My own personal experience, i.e. my testimony supports the dragging because I know for sure I wasn’t cooperating. Your mileage may vary.

I’m not all that certain I would want to follow, worship or obey anyone that needs me to cooperate with them on something as important as my eternal destiny but to each their own I guess.

There’s obviously much more to this and we’ll get into all that in due time.

Have a great day everyone!

Understanding New Testament Eschatology Part 5: The Olivet Discourse

Tonight Mrs. Dee Dee Warren concludes her series on eschatology with a brief overview of Matthew 24.

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Mrs. Warrens commentary on Matthew 24 can be read in its entirety at the link below;

http://www.preteristsite.com/plain/warrenend.html

The archives for the entire series can be found at the link below;

https://phillyflash.wordpress.com/understanding-new-testament-eschatology-audio-series-archives/

Thoughts About The Justice Conference

Tonight Pastor Michael Newnham and I discuss what he experienced by attending The Justice Conference 2012.

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Understanding New Testament Eschatology Part 4: The Timing Statements

Tonight Mrs. Dee Dee Warren continues her series on Understanding New Testament Eschatology with a look at some easily misunderstood timing statements that lead some to believe that the Great Tribulation is a future event .

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Part 1 of this series is here, part 2 is here and part 3 can be found here.

The Essentials of Christianity and the Creeds

This week Pastor Michael Newnham and I answer some mail from the listening audience and the look at how the essentials of Christianity can be found in the Apostles and Nicene Creeds.

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Understanding New Testament Eschatology Part 2: Why the First Century Jews Were Expecting a Messiah

Mrs. Dee Dee Warren continues her series Understanding New Testament Eschatology by examining Daniel Chapter 2…..

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Who Do You Say That I Am?

Tonight Pastor Michael Newnham and I open up the program with our opinion regarding Elephant Room 2 and then move on to more important matters, beginning with our series on the essentials of Christianity.

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