Comments on: A Warning to False Prophets who see False Visions http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/a-warning-to-false-prophets-who-see-false-visions/ Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them Ephesians 5:11 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:46:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: jmr http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/a-warning-to-false-prophets-who-see-false-visions/#comment-4623 jmr Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:22:49 +0000 http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/?p=142#comment-4623 phil, on the whole subject of visions and vision. I here an awful lot of preachers today talking about the Pastors' vision. This is usually coupled with the act of a petition for money to build a huge new church complex. The pastors often use " without a vision he people perish" and "write the vision and make it plain" was Habbakuk speaking to christian pastors??? Is there a biblical president for us all to follow a pastor's "vision" that he says God gave him??? phil,
on the whole subject of visions and vision. I here an awful lot of preachers today talking about the Pastors’ vision. This is usually coupled with the act of a petition for money to build a huge new church complex. The pastors often use ” without a vision he people perish” and “write the vision and make it plain” was Habbakuk speaking to christian pastors??? Is there a biblical president for us all to follow a pastor’s “vision” that he says God gave him???

]]> By: jaycee http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/a-warning-to-false-prophets-who-see-false-visions/#comment-4019 jaycee Sun, 18 May 2008 13:04:49 +0000 http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/?p=142#comment-4019 Sorry, Phil. I was rather hasty posting the last comment. Your penultimate response covers the bases. But then, I will like to discuss with you some personal experiences on God's leading... I understand this is not the right platform to discuss this issue, but shall we discuss? I believe God can and still speaks to the believer's heart... Sorry, Phil. I was rather hasty posting the last comment. Your penultimate response covers the bases.

But then, I will like to discuss with you some personal experiences on God’s leading…

I understand this is not the right platform to discuss this issue, but shall we discuss?

I believe God can and still speaks to the believer’s heart…

]]> By: jaycee http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/a-warning-to-false-prophets-who-see-false-visions/#comment-4017 jaycee Sun, 18 May 2008 12:48:06 +0000 http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/?p=142#comment-4017 If I were you, instead of trying to defend that "God led me.." I would simply say: That is what His words say concerning false prophets who see false visions! And our conversation would have ended there. If indeed the spirit of truth dwells in you, I make bold to say that you will love those in whom the same spirit dwells. Generally speaking, I agree with you, but then one might ask: do you know everything there is to know about God? Have you reached the pinnacle of knowledge on God's related matters? <strong>Phil: I believe I have answered your previous questions at the bottom of your last post....and no...I don't believe I know everything and don't pretend to....Thank you for your advice....</strong> If I were you, instead of trying to defend that “God led me..” I would simply say: That is what His words say concerning false prophets who see false visions! And our conversation would have ended there.

If indeed the spirit of truth dwells in you, I make bold to say that you will love those in whom the same spirit dwells.

Generally speaking, I agree with you, but then one might ask: do you know everything there is to know about God? Have you reached the pinnacle of knowledge on God’s related matters?

Phil: I believe I have answered your previous questions at the bottom of your last post….and no…I don’t believe I know everything and don’t pretend to….Thank you for your advice….

]]> By: jaycee http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/a-warning-to-false-prophets-who-see-false-visions/#comment-4016 jaycee Sun, 18 May 2008 12:40:57 +0000 http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/?p=142#comment-4016 No Phil: sincerely I do not have an agenda because I pretty much AGREE with you and yomi on almost everything you write and talk about. But I must tell you and other Christians that TRUTH IS FEARLESS. If anyone repudiates my belief and make a compelling arguments for his/her stand, I will still not bail, no matter how ludicrous the person's remarks. When you censor comments by respondents, you inevitably create room for doubt as to your genuine intentions. This is what i wish you and yomisays will imbibe, henceforth. Do not be afraid to engage anyone in discourse if you are sure of the truth you expound! <strong>Phil: I'm not afraid to engage you at all...and since we are off topic, I'll tell you EXACTLY what happened. I have a computer program which houses several bibles, commentaries etc...On that day I actually cracked open my bible that I preach from...why I do not know but at that time I did and out popped Ezekiel 13.....and it was exactly what I was thinking about this Bentley and others that I had been writing about....I attribute that to God...</strong> No Phil: sincerely I do not have an agenda because I pretty much AGREE with you and yomi on almost everything you write and talk about. But I must tell you and other Christians that TRUTH IS FEARLESS. If anyone repudiates my belief and make a compelling arguments for his/her stand, I will still not bail, no matter how ludicrous the person’s remarks.

When you censor comments by respondents, you inevitably create room for doubt as to your genuine intentions. This is what i wish you and yomisays will imbibe, henceforth.

Do not be afraid to engage anyone in discourse if you are sure of the truth you expound!

Phil: I’m not afraid to engage you at all…and since we are off topic, I’ll tell you EXACTLY what happened.

I have a computer program which houses several bibles, commentaries etc…On that day I actually cracked open my bible that I preach from…why I do not know but at that time I did and out popped Ezekiel 13…..and it was exactly what I was thinking about this Bentley and others that I had been writing about….I attribute that to God…

]]> By: jaycee http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/a-warning-to-false-prophets-who-see-false-visions/#comment-4013 jaycee Sun, 18 May 2008 12:28:24 +0000 http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/?p=142#comment-4013 Interesting...I wish to let you know that I copied our conversation because I know people like you too well. You censored and allow comments that float your boat. I don't know those you are calling false prophets, so I will not hold brief for anybody. However, your attitude speaks volume. On yomisays.com, you were all over the board disparaging God's leading and the claim by some believers that they hear Him speak to them, but on your website, you stated "God led me to the following portion of Scripture that will serve as a warning..." but on further probing, you could not prove how you're led by God. Your logic is warped. You are on a self crusade and tell you what: your efforts are futile! I will create a parallel blog to warn the Christians about you and yomisays. And no, you won't get publicity through it. Trust me, I know how to go about it! Read below for our discussion: How did God lead you to Ezekiel 13:1-23 (ESV)? Phil: I opened up my Bible and there it was…. jaycee - May 18, 2008 at 11:01 am # Good! Since you decided where to read and quote in the Bible, why then did you attribute your decision to God’s leading? Phil: I wasn’t looking Jaycee….I just opened it up….no conscious decision on my part. jaycee - May 18, 2008 at 11:37 am # Why didn’t you quote all the verses in the page you opened, but instead chose Ezekiel 13:1-23? Phil: And your point is?? jaycee - May 18, 2008 at 11:51 am # Your comment is awaiting moderation. I want to learn how God leads, so I can obey Him to the letter. jaycee - May 18, 2008 at 12:02 pm What happened to my comments and your responses? Did you delete them? jaycee - May 18, 2008 at 12:09 pm <strong>Phil: I sent you an email informing you as to why I deleted your comments....you were off topic and I believed you had an agenda....and I was right. You go right ahead and write whatever you'd like.....just make sure you have your facts straight.....</strong> Interesting…I wish to let you know that I copied our conversation because I know people like you too well. You censored and allow comments that float your boat.

I don’t know those you are calling false prophets, so I will not hold brief for anybody. However, your attitude speaks volume. On yomisays.com, you were all over the board disparaging God’s leading and the claim by some believers that they hear Him speak to them, but on your website, you stated “God led me to the following portion of Scripture that will serve as a warning…” but on further probing, you could not prove how you’re led by God.

Your logic is warped. You are on a self crusade and tell you what: your efforts are futile!

I will create a parallel blog to warn the Christians about you and yomisays. And no, you won’t get publicity through it. Trust me, I know how to go about it!

Read below for our discussion:

How did God lead you to Ezekiel 13:1-23 (ESV)?

Phil: I opened up my Bible and there it was….

jaycee - May 18, 2008 at 11:01 am
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Good! Since you decided where to read and quote in the Bible, why

then did you attribute your decision to God’s leading?

Phil: I wasn’t looking Jaycee….I just opened it up….no conscious

decision on my part.

jaycee - May 18, 2008 at 11:37 am
#

Why didn’t you quote all the verses in the page you opened, but

instead chose Ezekiel 13:1-23?

Phil: And your point is??

jaycee - May 18, 2008 at 11:51 am
#

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

I want to learn how God leads, so I can obey Him to the letter.

jaycee - May 18, 2008 at 12:02 pm

What happened to my comments and your responses? Did you

delete them?

jaycee - May 18, 2008 at 12:09 pm

Phil: I sent you an email informing you as to why I deleted your comments….you were off topic and I believed you had an agenda….and I was right. You go right ahead and write whatever you’d like…..just make sure you have your facts straight…..

]]> By: jaycee http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/a-warning-to-false-prophets-who-see-false-visions/#comment-4004 jaycee Sun, 18 May 2008 11:01:52 +0000 http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/?p=142#comment-4004 How did God lead you to Ezekiel 13:1-23 (ESV)? <strong>Phil: I opened up my Bible and there it was....</strong> How did God lead you to Ezekiel 13:1-23 (ESV)?

Phil: I opened up my Bible and there it was….

]]> By: anon http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/a-warning-to-false-prophets-who-see-false-visions/#comment-3806 anon Thu, 08 May 2008 17:30:18 +0000 http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/?p=142#comment-3806 Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

]]> By: anon http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/a-warning-to-false-prophets-who-see-false-visions/#comment-3803 anon Thu, 08 May 2008 17:25:53 +0000 http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/?p=142#comment-3803 Learn How to Become a False Prophet Performing False Miracles! Learn the Secrets of TODD BENTLEY`S *Operation Money Suck* Today! http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9Kv7XRaKw8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=6O0p4ZDnDoQ http://youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-7beRITYM&feature=related http://youtube.com/watch?v=aHIyFmJTRsM&feature=related Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness Learn How to Become a False Prophet Performing False Miracles! Learn the Secrets of TODD BENTLEY`S *Operation Money Suck* Today!

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Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness

]]> By: lavrai http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/a-warning-to-false-prophets-who-see-false-visions/#comment-3703 lavrai Sat, 03 May 2008 17:02:26 +0000 http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/?p=142#comment-3703 Amen. 5 You have not gone up into the breaches, or built up a wall for the house of Israel, that it might stand in battle in the day of the Lord. Amen.

5 You have not gone up into the breaches, or built up a wall for the house of Israel, that it might stand in battle in the day of the Lord.

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